Friday, July 28, 2006

Grapes of Wrath

(A beheaded Lebanese infant, April 1996)

Does anyone remember the Qana massacre, in 1996? It was a day of horror, a day of grief in Lebanon. It was another time Israel hit a UN-base, but this time it was packed with civilians seeking shelter from yet another onslaught on Lebanon. These are the sort of events that fuel Hezbollah, these are the reasons which makes them strong. Not religion, nor fanaticism. On that day, all of Lebanon lived another black day. On that day, Israel created yet more fear that quickly changed into further support for Hezbullah. Does any Israeli know of this event? Does any non-Lebanese know of this event? If you do or don't wouldn't you think that something is wrong? Wouldn't you agree this is the oppression that gives birth to desperation?
Who better describe this horrible event than Robert Fisk?
mrtez

Robert Fisk
The Independent
19 April 1996

It was a massacre. Not since Sabra and Chatila had I seen the innocent slaughtered like this. The Lebanese refugee women and children and men lay in heaps, their hands or arms or legs missing, beheaded or disembowelled. There were well over a hundred of them.
A baby lay without a head. The Israeli shells had scythed through them as they lay in the United Nations shelter, believing that they were safe under the world's protection. Like the Muslims of Srebrenica, the Muslims of Qana were wrong. In front of a burning building of the UN's Fijian battalion headquarters, a girl held a corpse in her arms, the body of a grey- haired man whose eyes were staring at her, and she rocked the corpse back and forth in her arms, keening and weeping and crying the same words over and over: "My father, my father." A Fijian UN soldier stood amid a sea of bodies and, without saying a word, held aloft the body of a headless child."The Israelis have just told us they'll stop shelling the area", a UN soldier said, shaking with anger. "Are we supposed to thank them?"

In the remains of a burning building - the conference room of the Fijian UN headquarters - a pile of corpses was burning. The roof had crashed in flames onto their bodies, cremating them in front of my eyes. When I walked towards them, I slipped on a human hand...Israel's slaughter of civilians in this terrible 10-day offensive - 206 by last night - has been so cavalier, so ferocious, that not a Lebanese will forgive this massacre. There had been the ambulance attacked on Saturday, the sisters killed in Yohmor the day before, the 2-year-old girl decapitated by an Israeli missile four days ago. And earlier yesterday, the Israelis had slaughtered a family of 12 - the youngest was a four- day-old baby - when Israeli helicopter pilots fired missiles into their home. Shortly afterwards, three Israeli jets dropped bombs only 250 metres from a UN convoy on which I was travelling, blasting a house 30 feet into the air in front of my eyes.

Travelling back to Beirut to file my report on the Qana massacre to the Independent last night, I found two Israeli gunboats firing at the civilian cars on the river bridge north of Sidon. Every foreign army comes to grief in Lebanon. The Sabra and Chatila massacre of Palestinians by Israel's militia allies in 1982 doomed Israel's 1982 invasion.

Now the Israelis are stained again by the bloodbath at Qana, the scruffy little Lebanese hill town where the Lebanese believe Jesus turned water into wine. The Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres may now wish to end this war. But the Hizbollah are not likely to let him. Israel is back in the Lebanese quagmire. Nor will the Arab world forget yesterday'a terrible scenes. The blood of all the refugees ran quite literally in streams from the shell-smashed UN compound restaurant in which the Shiite Muslims from the hill villages of southern Lebanon - who had heeded Israel's order to leave their homes - had pathetically sought shelter. Fijian and French soldiers heaved another group of dead - they lay with their arms tightly wrapped around each other - into blankets. A French UN trooper muttered oaths to himself as he opened a bag in which he was dropping feet, fingers, pieces of people's arms. And as we walked through this obscenity, a swarm of people burst into the compound.

They had driven in wild convoys down from Tyre and began to pull the blankets off the mutilated corpses of their mothers and sons and daughters and to shriek "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great") and to threaten the UN troops. We had suddenly become not UN troops and journalists but Westerners, Israel's allies, an object of hatred and venom. One bearded man with fierce eyes stared at us, his face dark with fury. "You are Americans", he screamed at us. "Americans are dogs. You did this. Americans are dogs. "President Bill Clinton has allied himself with Israel in its war against "terrorism" and the Lebanese, in their grief, had not forgotten this.

Israel's official expression of sorrow was rubbing salt in their wounds. "I would like to be made into a bomb and blow myself up amid the Israelis", one old man said. As for the Hizbollah, which has repeatedly promised that Israelis will pay for their killing of Lebanese civilians, its revenge cannot be long in coming. Operation Grapes of Wrath may then turn out then to be all too aptly named.

37 Comments:

Blogger PrimusInterPares said...

i still hear you. i'm very happy about that. keep on going.
i wish i could help you.

lars, germany

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see, you can't control your own citizens (hezbollah? Party of God? More like "Party of Satan") and you blame Israel for protecting itself from attacks YOU initiated. Posting pictures of that poor child doesn't change anything. Israel is right and YOUR country is wrong, period. Seeking sympathy from the world for actions your countrymen made against a neighbor is assinine. Your country deserves to be destroyed. I have an idea, love thy neighbor....(not in your vocabulary?). If you want to blame someone, don't look to Israel or the United States of America, look to your Syrian and Iranian terrorist states...they brought this war to you with the help of your own countrymen. Now you understand why there should be a separation of religion and state. I'm sorry for the innocent citizens that die in war but you are to blame for their deaths. Demand that your leaders disarm this rogue terrorist organization in your country and learn to live together. Then and only then will you have peace. If you can't do this, expect the horrors of war to rain on your country and pray that Israel doesn't decide to turn Lebanon, Syria, and Iran into glass, which they do have the weapons to do. Be thankful that Israel doesn't do what Iran would do with nucleur weapons.

9:38 PM  
Anonymous Jaximou said...

Again, PEACE to you, anonymous, and everyone out there. Do yourself a favor and read this: http://www.newconversations.net/library/mirrors.htm
Your tone is so vicious, rabid, and cynical. Why? Start with yourself. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE. I find it contradictory how you can say "Your country deserves to be destroyed." and then in the same breath "I have an idea, love thy neighbor....(not in your vocabulary?)" IF YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF YOU WOULD WANT THE SAME THING FOR THEM AS YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOURSELF. NOT SO? I HOPE YOUR HEART WILL BE SOFTENED MY FELLOW CITIZEN OF THE WORLD AND REALIZE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE PEACE IS BY BEING "PEACE".

10:16 PM  
Anonymous European said...

@anonym

Ever thought about the possibility that its not within the Lebanese capabilities to disarm Hezbollah?

But you have the solution anyway, just bomb them all. Why not taking nukes?

Its disgusting. Haters like that on both sides are the reason for the blood of innocents that is shed now.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Pizza said...

I think posting this picture and article by the glorious Fisk is a mistake. it justy fules hate and more anger and vicious discussions like this one. I will ignore and wait for the next post.

Editor should feel responsible for posting this horrible picture and fisk shit

long leave the NOW and PEACE and HOPE and DREAMS.

10:25 PM  
Anonymous Kita3-B said...

Posting this picture again was uncalled for man. We all remember it, it's still as painful as before, but I don't think it's helping solve the current situation...

I'll eagerly wait for the next post just like pizza above.

10:46 PM  
Anonymous Jaximou said...

MRTEZ and RS. You aren't the only ones outraged by this war and terror. Pizza (above) has a good point. I've been checking this blog since the first day but that picture of a headless child...Why? You are sensationalizing things by posting images like that. That was 1996. Let's deal with 2006. Are you trying to create more disgust and anger? What's the point? And the black background of the blog is very depressing. It would be better to have a white background to symbolize peace...even though people are warring in our country and black is for mourning. We are mourning anyway...PEACE.

10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi there

i came across an interview with Ramsey Short in Time Out Dubai. there are no signs of a direct contact of Ramsey on this site. could you please provide me with an email address I can reach either one of you guys at. mine is J.Ghader@gmail.com. I'd like to ask about the possibility of going to lebanon to volunteer with the humanitarian aid. if you cant help me please refer me to someone who can. thanks

Jehad Ghader
a lebanese expat

12:10 AM  
Anonymous janoobe said...

i left Lebanon in 1982
i never cared for any party or any group in Lebanon,
but NOW i will support Hezbullah 100%

12:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good for you Janoobe. we are all really proud of you and of your choice.
Love
Lebanon

1:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no problem with the image. It speaks the truth of that moment. Nothing more, nothing less.

I also agree with Jaximou regarding Anonymous 9:38 post.

Furthermore, 9:38 is wrong. One does not need to post any kind of image to garner sympathy from the world. One needs only to see YOUR post 9:38.

You, with your hate filled talk of "Israel is right and YOUR country is wrong, period" and "Your country deserves to be destroyed" and "expect the horrors of war to rain on your country and pray that Israel doesn't decide to turn Lebanon, Syria, and Iran into glass, which they do have the weapons to do".

Nowhere here have I heard anyone talk of any desire to see the death, destruction or obliteration of Jews or Israel the way you desire to do to everyone else.

So, this is you, with your moral high ground? The peace that you speak of and love of neighbour, is it feasible only when your neighbours are dead and destroyed?

Is the only good neighbour for an Israeli a dead neighour?

This spewing of hatred and malicious intent on your part 9:38 is eye opening.

1:43 AM  
Anonymous 1.43 said...

1.43 you are so right. it was Lebanon and Hizbullah who wanted Israel dead and started the recent conflict.

I agree with you Lebanon and Hizbullah should be crushed for starting this conflict.

Good Point!

1:51 AM  
Blogger Lilu said...

I'll take the article by Fisk, but the use of such bloody imagery has always seemed to me a cheap way to gain support. What a shame. Good on ya Jaximou.

1:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1:51 AM... your sarcasm leaves a lot to be desired.

Your intentional twisting of someone else opinion is weak.

But then again, it looks like the hatred of Anonymous 9:38 is the only thing that you can relate to.

I guess it's true, hate begets hate.

Good job to both of you.

2:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I finally see that this is a pro-terrorist web site pretending to be fair, I wish to leave the peolpe of Lebanon with this, get rid of Hezbullah and then as the great American civil rights leader Martin Luther King said "Let freedom ring, God almighty let freedom ring".

2:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very immature to respond with saying that this is a pro-terrorist web site.

No, not immature. It is wrong, and narrow minded.

I could easily say that you have very terroristic minded views if I am to understand that beyond wishing that Hizbullah is crushed, your intent is that Lebanon be also crushed. Because you certainly are NOT making a distinction.

No one is debating the question that Hizbullah must be removed from Lebanon, crushed a sa whole, or that terrorism must end.

EVERYONE is debating the way it is being done.

You don't kill a cockroach by bulldozing the house when the tap of the shoe will do.

2:38 AM  
Anonymous GOOD TO READ said...

The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

4:33 AM  
Anonymous god said...

Alright for any of you that have not understood it yet it's actually pretty fucking simple

Hizbollah = the bad guys
Israel = the bad guys

4:34 AM  
Anonymous Lili from Haifa settlement. said...

so whats your point?

do you want to see pictures from terrorist (sorrry, freedom fighters) in Israeli busses/markets/disco/coffee houses?

or do you want to see the 9/11 bodies?

whats the game? the one who's got the better pictures is less or more evil? do you think that hezballa missiles deads look better. (I bet Iran got missiles that doesn't chop the head)

4:51 AM  
Anonymous god said...

there is no game. it is not about who is less or more evil. the only question is how to minimize human suffering. i love you all the same

5:05 AM  
Blogger mrtez said...

"As for the Hizbollah, which has repeatedly promised that Israelis will pay for their killing of Lebanese civilians, its revenge cannot be long in coming. Operation Grapes of Wrath may then turn out then to be all too aptly named."
This picture was put to bring up this shock and disgust. I am asking for no sympathy. I am asking for you to read the paragraph above. 9/11? i lived it smack in downtown NYC..the most horrible day...
but the problem is Hizbullah fuels itself from these events to bring about more supporters. And what better excuse than to say that the IDF bombed civilians and children in a UN base. "these barbarians," they would say.
what i am trying to express is that force is not the answer with hizbullah, nor the hamas...the harder you will hit, the stronger they get...especially since they are not a government but a group...
and after all, the horror of 9/11 also fueled the war on iraq, did it not?
again, i asked repeatedly to bloggers here to ask this question: why are people willing to strap a bomb around their chest and die kiling everything around them?
so far i got one answer: religious zealots...i am not convinced...

i am very sorry for the image, truly...i myself am appalled by it...but how would i act if i was the father of that baby, with little education, even less money and whose government cannot do anything to protect the rest of my family or wage war? would joining hizbullah be the answer? i dont know..

do u?

5:18 AM  
Blogger mrtez said...

to fix the problems that exist in this part of the world, one has to first understand the frustrations of the other.
to build an ever lasting peace, one has to learn the mistakes that were committed in order never to make them again...on both sides of the equation...
again, i apologize for the picture...
T

5:40 AM  
Anonymous i care said...

Yes, I remember Qana very well. I had just been to Lebanon several months before. As an American, I was not aware of the suffering at the hands of Israel. Of course the Israeli lobby does a very good job to cover their autrocities and they play the victim role very well. I was stunned at the arrogance of Israel in the south. The Lebanese people are so generous and good people. Hez rose from the terror Israel placed on the population in the south. I was so disturbed by Qana as it is always the innocent mamed by Israel. If you are not aware of the Israeli lobby ~ visit AIPAC.com. Visit Human Rights watch to view violations. I hope one day soon the Lebanese NEVER have to deal with Israel flying into their airspace. The Israelis always talk about "never again", they should apply it to their terrorism against their neighbors. Their campaign is totally insane.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Michael Newcomb said...

mrtez,

I understand you have apologized for the extreme poor taste of the picture of an innocent lost. Despite your apology and bad judgment - you are becoming part of the problem and not the solution.

Inflaming emotions is precisely what Hezbollah wants ... no NEEDS to continue to grow. It is pictures like this and continuing to dwell on injustice, which fuels the fire of those that lack the intelligence to engage in constructive debate.

Both sides of the conflict can plaster the Internet with pictures of innocent victims. The Israeli's have lost many lives to suicide bombers - an equal number of pictures of school children dismembered by Palestinian suicide bombers can be posted as well.

Apparently you believe its necessary to recount the pain and suffering of the Lebonese people - why not the Isreali's too.

What will it prove? Nothing, other than both sides have suffered.

Please get it through your head. It doesn't matter how many lives have been lost on either side of the ledger.

The Lebonese people will not suddenly feel better once more Israeli children have been blown to bits.

The only groups that will feel better are Hamas and Hezbollah (and some of the idiots that have responded to your posts).

10:07 AM  
Blogger starter said...

mertz, indeed you picked the wrong picture to post. Youd posted the picture on a wrong place. This is the result of Hezbollah's wrong doing. It is their responsibility and not Israel's. If not for their act of snatching Israeli's this would not happen.

Partly, Lebanese goverment is responsible on what is happening now. If they'd controlled the Hezbollah activities on their country, conflict such as this did not happen.

Now, Hezbollah is using Lebanese citizen as their shield to Israel's attack's. If Hezbollah is really concern on the citizen of southern Lebanon, on the first day of the conflict, they should evacuate the civilians on the said territory (did Hezbollah evacuate civilian's???). Why don't they come out in the open to face Israel to prevent civilian casualties (such as the photo that was posted).

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, I was very upset this morning at 9:38 when I put that blog online. I never said that Israel should nuke Lebanon, Syria, or Iran as some bloggers implied. I am just being factual about Israel’s capabilities. I pray that we never have another nuclear weapon used on this planet. However, I do believe that Israel would use all means at their disposal if their sovereignty were in jeopardy. Also, I believe Iran would use a weapon of mass destruction to destroy Israel, if it had that capability. In other words, Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, and any other religiously illiterate ruling party or militant organization might as well get it out of their minds that Israel is going to go away. Now, before you get your shorts in a wad, when I say “religiously illiterate,” I am implying their interpretation of the Koran is misguided and interpreted to suit their power thirst and desire to impose their will and beliefs on everyone else in the world. I truly believe that Hezbollah, Hamas and the ruling party’s in Iran and Syria, have no desire to live in peace on this earth. They prey on the weak-minded youth and despondent illiterates in the world to destroy themselves (suicide) with false promises of virgins, high ranking in heaven, and other preposterous lies, while all the while, in truth, they are condemning them to an eternity in hell (if you believe in that sort of thing). I believe they pay the families some sum for the loss of their child too. That’s big of them. Someone needs to tell these ignorant buffoons that if it sounds too good to be true, it is. (Suicide Bomber: “Let’s see, if I go blow up a bunch of people that haven’t done anything wrong, other then being born, that’s good…hmmm…that sounds right”. “Wait, then it’s okay for Israel to be doing what it’s doing to Lebanese civilians, no, that can’t be right, I’m confused”). Enough rambling, I do know this, Hezbollah in Lebanon are primarily Lebanese and it is the responsibility of the Lebanese to control their citizens. If they cannot do this, then obviously, those that Hezbollah attack are going to react to the degree they are capable to protect themselves. An awful lot of innocent men, women, and children will continue to be maimed or die, on both sides. Keep encouraging Hezbollah and they will cause the destruction of Lebanon and possibly much more of the Middle East. Lebanon unfortunately is in a quagmire. They can’t stop Hezbollah from attacking Israel and Israel is not going to stand by and let a militant organization lob bombs at them. As long as the cowardly Hezbollah hide among men, women, and children, innocent Lebanese will die. That’s the type of war Hezbollah has decided is their tactic for survival. A very cowardly way to wage war, but it is effective. Lebanese civilian’s choices are: get the hell out of Dodge, pick a side to join, get their government to defend them, either for or against Israel, wait for someone else to solve this crisis, or just suffer the consequences.

I notice that some anti-western individuals on this site like to misinterpret and misrepresent others views, mine included. Just for your information, I do not hate anyone and I did not indicate in my blog this morning that I did. I was merely stating things as I see them in the world. I may not agree with you, but I do not hate you. I have friends of most nationalities, including Iranian, Lebanese, and Jewish. I don’t know any Syrians. I don’t agree with them on religion or politics usually, but we are still friends.

I do agree that Israel is not always goody two shoes. They are just as guilty as Hezbollah in many of their actions towards the Palestinians and Lebanese in some areas of human rights. However, the most recent incidents seem to have been instigated by Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah in reaction to Israel’s action towards the militant Hamas. Actions Hamas and Hezbollah committed at a time when Israel seemed to be trying to correct boundaries and live in peace. Yet, these organizations, and most Muslims, will not even admit that Israel has a right to exist. They do exist and they will continue to exist. Learn to live together, please.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anytime innocent civilians are harmed, it is a bad thing. But, if an innocent civilian chooses to live with snakes, then bad things can happen. For anyone in Lebanon that has not raised a voice against the crimes of hezbollah, the snake is causing you pain. For years and years, Israel has tried to live in peace. Not causing deaths in any other country that wishes it well. For countries that are bent on the Israli destruction, you are reaping the rewards of your actions.
It truly boggles the mind, of the rest of the peace living world, that anyone in Lebanon really thought this day would not come. If you live across from a bully that beats on you each time you leave your home, sooner or later you will find a way to stop him, just so you can live in peace.
the rest of the civilized world is really getting a bellyful of the Muslim-Islam-radical-extremests bullying their religion onto people that just want to live in peace and enjoy life. It is like the radicals can't stand anyone else enjoying them self being peaceful, just because they don't believe the way they the radicals do.
But the Lebanese people thought letting this snake live in their country would isolate them from Israli anger, once Israel had enough. The answer seems simple to the rest of the world, let Israel do the job the Lebanese people didn't have the courage to do.
The memory of my enemy seems short, if he can't understand why I am mad, after he throws stones at me.
It is a shame that any country, in this case Israel, should have to live with this attitude,
"Si vis pacem, Para bellum"
(If you would have peace, prepare for war)

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in a poll, germans and europeans said, they think that israel and the us are the biggest threat for peace on earth.
german and european politicians said, they where shocked by reading the results.
since a very long time, i know that people here think like this. everybody knows.

as an answer, our politicians decided to strenghten their efforts to explain israels problems etc...

the german press shows the suffering of arabs, like the suffering of jews. but if you are not interested in politics, after reading german newspapers, you can´t understand the arab side very well.
the israeli government i heard is saying, german press is almost against israel.

i can´t see this. the israeli feeling ist very well described, but people here dont know enough, to understand this feelings.
like a reflex they prefer "the" arab opinion without to know, what it is.

for my eyes, the german political class is clear pro israel. the rest is private opinion.
only at intellectual discussions you will find people, who know the arab side personally and show a more realistic opinion.

it is not, that the german political class dont see arab suffering. but they seem to feel much more with jews than with arabs. they want to be blind on one eye. the opposite reflex than the rest of the german people.

if they hear the word jews, they think ausschwitz.
this seems to be the german problem.
there is no real german foreign policy.
if they think opposite israel, they are silent.
the political class here, officially, would never have the idea to think about, if sharon has really anything to do with anne frank.
so you should know, that we can help to change prisoners. but thats all.
official germany will never help lebanon, i fear.
for my opinion by this way we are no help for israel to.

and until today israel never wanted this help from outside. they feared it.
because, for them, after all, nowbody understands them and at the end all foreigners will come up and act like antisemites.
the poll i mentioned above shows them, they are rigt.
for the official israel, europe is to much pro arab. un is pro arab. everybody is pro arab, but the us and a few special friends.

if the israelis accepted european help at past, they just didn´t saw a better way and they used this help only for special proposes, like prisoner exchange.

regarding the situation now, for me it seemes, as if the israelis fear the results of the iraki war and the defeat of the us army. they fear a following strong iran.
here some say, they waited for a reason for war.
it´s uninteresting, if they waited or not. hisbollah gave them a reason and they surely see a chance, to kick iran/hisbollah in his ass and the lebanese have to pay for this.

maybe by realising, they could loose against hisbollah in an us-iraki-like war in lebanon, it seems that israel has changed his mind and first time likes the idea of foreign help. foreign help by installing anglosaxonian or nato troops in south lebanon. maybe the idea comes from the united staates, maybe not.

the question is, how will they convince hisbollah to sign such a peace treaty? by further bombing without troops on lebanese soil? is this, what america wants. or is israel fearing the last lebanon desastor could come back?

for the lebanese people this would mean, israel will bomb lebanon until the "international society" is convinced, they have to help and to pay.
i suppose, hisbollah will not react as fast, as they wish, if they wish.

even if thing are going this way, isrealis will never trust europeans.
like they never trusted un troops.

so i fear, that lebanon will be bombed the next few weeks, if not longer.
nasrallah is not arafat. he will not flee anywhere.
i see no good signs for your country. and i dond see real help from germany to solve the conflict.

thomas

1:18 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

the only reason why hizbullah and hamas exist today is because:
- the armies of Lebanon and Palestine are non-existant and cannot face the might of the IDF
- people who have had innocent friends or families killed have become so desperate that they didnt know where to get support or a fake sense of defense from

I have always been an advocate to disarming Hizbullah for the fear of the day when they decide to take matters in their own hands, just as they did now. I have been saying this since 2000, even after the south was 'liberated'. One of the questions I have been asking people here who somewhat accept hizbullah is: why do you like the group? dont you think the state should be in full control?
their answer was clear: the state cannot defend us from Israel (because it is weak), only hizbullah can...
believe me, ALL these people FEAR the IDF...this is why the more deaths their are, the stronger the group gets...
it is time to open our eyes and realize that bombs will not stop these people, on the contrary it is what makes them...especially when there is no strong state with an army that can defend...

3:14 PM  
Blogger dobegs said...

Wow, what an interesting exchange because of this horrible choice of image. Tarek I know you are sorry for posting this. we now need to move on....

3:21 PM  
Anonymous bigberta said...

I found your blog and some other blogs by chance and try to make the Lebanese voice heard. So I made something out of your postings, today especially of the "Grapes of Wrath", the Oil Spill and the IDF-Pizza. I hope you agree with it. Good Luck für you all.

11:26 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

thanks,

not a problem, much the contrary...

11:50 PM  
Blogger starter said...

mrtez...

you are right that this people needs a strong state that will defend them, not like this Hezbolla which state cannot control.

the problem may be prevented if the lebanese goverment controls this group overall.

now hezbolla will be using this situation to strenghten the support of civilians. somebody must open the eyes of civilians that supporting this kind of group will be dangerous and will lead them into disaster...

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hallo mrtez

at past i was very interested in israeli politics, but i dont know much about lebanon.
i wanted to visit your country, but i think, yet it is to late.
what do you think is the real reason, that the army of your country did not became strong enough, to fight for lebanon?
a deeper reason, than syrian and iranian interests?
you people were able, to push the syrians out, but not able, to establish a real army.
wasnt there time enough, other powers behind the szene, what do you think?

that people today move to hizbullah is understandable.
but who really wanted a strong lebanese army?

and if there was such an army, could they have prevented the contemporary bloodshed?
i ask, because, hizbullah is a weak army, but a strong resistance movement.
in a real warfight the hizbullah would loose, like a real lebanese army.

the problem for israel is, the dont know whom to fight. despite their informations, satellites etc....
so they kill woman and children, because there is no soldier to be seen.
even if they win now, they will loose, like after 1982, because a real army cannot fight a resistant movement. only with open terror for a short time.

nazi germany was real brutal in this kind of warfare. the brandenburg company, ss etc... they controlled a big area. but not longer, as the americans will control irak or afghanistan or the russians afghanistan etc...

the only way to control foreign people, is to divide them and find idiots to do the dirty work for you. you must have real friend. the best would be the upper class, religious leaders etc...

the turkish or the british colonial system was good established this way.

israel lost his "idiots", after they removed from south lebanon. they didnt help their christian friends very much.
today they can see, it was their mistake.

a german newspaper wrote today, in beirut christians were waving hizbullah flags.
this is a completely new situation.

thomas

3:49 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

the terrorists invited the barbarians...
think about it for a second...
who is the terrorist? who is the barbarian?
at the end no one wins...and this because everyone on the other side of the border is pre-branded...

1:43 AM  
Blogger starter said...

Hezbolla and Israel invited each other to this conflict.

So both of them are barbarians and terrorist.

surely, either of the two is a loser.

MOST SAD THING ARE THE EFFECT ON CIVILIANS....

5:15 AM  
Anonymous bittertruth said...

Using hoorrific images to further the cause of terror outfits like Hizbollah?
Shame!
The land of the great poet Khalil Gibran is now reduced to a pawn in the hand of Iran.

1:28 PM  

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