Thursday, July 27, 2006

Justice?

I ask all you respectable bloggers out there a question. Does it make sense to destroy innocents' homes and kill their residents? War is a horrible thing indeed. People do die during wars, true. But how can one people understand the gestures of the other if horrible, senseless things are being done?
There are two sides to this equation. Two different people seperated by a transparent border are suffering in their own ways. All we see here is our destruction, all you see there is your destruction. We need to come to our senses, we need to listen to each other. But none of that will happen if both sides continue harrassing innocent civilians. Every time a house is bombed, wherever it is, the residents of that house will suddenly transform into the same people they always detested. Its just a vicious cycle...
The following is the extract of the accounts of a New York Times journalist in South Lebanon. Please do tell me, does this make any sense? Is this humane?
mrtez

The earsplitting crack hit just a few blocks from the mayor’s office, where Ghassan Farran, a doctor and member of the city council, was sitting Tuesday night. He dropped to the floor. Pieces of debris flew through an open window. An Israeli bomb had pulverized a seven-story building a short distance away. Mr. Farran stood up and walked to the window. The lights were out. A giant cloud of black smoke filled the sky.
“This is the new Middle East,” he said, his voice shaking with anger.

Mr. Husseini, the mayor, who presides over 67 villages in the Tyre region, said that in the worst-hit areas, bodies were still buried under the rubble, and he appealed to the Israelis to allow government authorities time to pull them out. Dogs were even eating them, he said.
“Who can accept this?” he said. “If we send ambulances, they bomb them.”
As for the food delivery, he tried to be optimistic. “When there will be roads, we’ll bring it to the people.”

Her full article can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/27/world/middleeast/27lebanon.html

21 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO ALL YOU BIGOTED, MISGUIDED CRITICS OF THIS BLOG: IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED THEY WERE MORONS YOU WOULDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME WRITING SUCH COMMENTS (UNLESS YOU YOURSELVES ARE MORONS).

I BELIEVE I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MANY WHO READ APPRECIATE A VIEW FROM PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVING THE REALITY IMPOSED ON THEM BY ISRAEL - A HELL ON EARTH. AND FOR WHAT? HUNDREDS DEAD, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DISPLACED, A COUNTRY IN RUINS, ALL SO ISRAEL AND THE US CAN TEST OUT THE STRENGTH OF THEIR LATEST CREATION, THE NEW ENEMY, IRAN.

CONGRATULATIONS IN DESTROYING ANY HOPE FOR A BETTER FUTURE IN THE ONLY TWO DEMOCRACIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST - LEBANON AND THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES.

YOUR OPINIONS ARE OF THOSE OF ARROGANT COWARDS WITH NO STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE.

2:37 PM  
Anonymous yann - europe said...

there is no sense in war.
war serves only the interests of a few.
and it alway have something to do with politic or economy.

and war always comes with propaganda, as ruler you need it to bring hatred among your people.

without hatred, nobody would fight.

the enormous majority of people on this planet wants only one thing: live in peace and without needs.

today people have incredible luck to possess internet. because the web gives us the opportunity to speak directly to eatch other.

without media in between, or political propaganda. now internet is jung and, I guess, we don't know yet what power it possess for us the people.

I wrote it 2 times allready: I beleave that we (internet communities) could by chatting together try to amplify the idees of the peace willing sides (Gush-Salom and other). writing to journalists, friends and other people.
these cogitations should reach the broard medias, and the public. we need a open and broard debate.

ultimatively it will reach the politician, and they will do what the majority wants (they want to be elected)...

What we need to care about, is that the debate don't deprave in a "scoring-match" or "who's guilty-match".

medias are more and more looking at the blogs and "experts" can't fool the public as easely as for a few years because of the internet.


this could work.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.foxnews.com/

Just wanted to leave all of your bloggers this post because I always believe there are two sides to any story. Keep Blogging

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My lovely city of Sour... Sour that survived so many wars.. It is sad to see you burning... It is sad indeed... Am afraid there are no enough words to express how bad I feel... Nizar Kabbani once said: we destroyed Beirut because we were jealous of its beauty... and here we go.. other beautiful cities are being destroyed... again and again.. what for?! maybe.. just maybe because they are jealous of your beauty!!Israelies would die and live and die a thousand times before they get the chance to have beautiful cities like Beirut and Sour.. cities with that much culture, and life, and diversity, and history, and pride, and , and, and... We shall survive!!

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is someone seriously posting foxnews as a reliable source of news to look at. What planet does he live on?

6:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*yawn*, what did he expect when he decided to let his town be a terrorist safe haven?

6:38 PM  
Blogger dobegs said...

two comments :

to all the anonymous people on here - thansk for bloging but its sad that you blog as anonymous. what are you afraid of?

2nd comment is re foxnews. I personaly agree its a sick channel that doesnt report things as they really are but face it where in the media is there non bias reporting? especially in the Arab world!!!! it doesnt exist! you can get shot in Iran Sirya etc if you say anything bad on Islam or Hizbullah.... same if you praise the US or Israel for anything.

this doouble standard is sick.

8:19 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

i truly have no idea what this foxnews "ad" is all about...
well i guess we have been getting some attention from around the world...
Note: FoxNews is by far one of the worst news channels that could exist in the world. The words unbiased and real reporting simply doesnt exist in the minds of the people managing this news channel.
Paul Craig Roberts, the assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration said this : "Of course, you don't know these things (whats really happening in Lebanon), because the US print and TV media do not report them.
cheers

8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arithmetic of Pain
By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ
July 19, 2006; Page A12

There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel's military actions in Lebanon is what is "reasonable." The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be "proportional" to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
This is all well and good for democratic nations that deliberately locate their military bases away from civilian population centers. Israel has its air force, nuclear facilities and large army bases in locations as remote as anything can be in that country. It is possible for an enemy to attack Israeli military targets without inflicting "collateral damage" on its civilian population. Hezbollah and Hamas, by contrast, deliberately operate military wings out of densely populated areas. They launch antipersonnel missiles with ball-bearing shrapnel, designed by Syria and Iran to maximize civilian casualties, and then hide from retaliation by living among civilians. If Israel decides not to go after them for fear of harming civilians, the terrorists win by continuing to have free rein in attacking civilians with rockets. If Israel does attack, and causes civilian casualties, the terrorists win a propaganda victory: The international community pounces on Israel for its "disproportionate" response. This chorus of condemnation actually encourages the terrorists to operate from civilian areas.
While Israel does everything reasonable to minimize civilian casualties -- not always with success -- Hezbollah and Hamas want to maximize civilian casualties on both sides. Islamic terrorists, a diplomat commented years ago, "have mastered the harsh arithmetic of pain. . . . Palestinian casualties play in their favor and Israeli casualties play in their favor." These are groups that send children to die as suicide bombers, sometimes without the child knowing that he is being sacrificed. Two years ago, an 11-year-old was paid to take a parcel through Israeli security. Unbeknownst to him, it contained a bomb that was to be detonated remotely. (Fortunately the plot was foiled.)
This misuse of civilians as shields and swords requires a reassessment of the laws of war. The distinction between combatants and civilians -- easy when combatants were uniformed members of armies that fought on battlefields distant from civilian centers -- is more difficult in the present context. Now, there is a continuum of "civilianality": Near the most civilian end of this continuum are the pure innocents -- babies, hostages and others completely uninvolved; at the more combatant end are civilians who willingly harbor terrorists, provide material resources and serve as human shields; in the middle are those who support the terrorists politically, or spiritually.
The laws of war and the rules of morality must adapt to these realities. An analogy to domestic criminal law is instructive: A bank robber who takes a teller hostage and fires at police from behind his human shield is guilty of murder if they, in an effort to stop the robber from shooting, accidentally kill the hostage. The same should be true of terrorists who use civilians as shields from behind whom they fire their rockets. The terrorists must be held legally and morally responsible for the deaths of the civilians, even if the direct physical cause was an Israeli rocket aimed at those targeting Israeli citizens.
Israel must be allowed to finish the fight that Hamas and Hezbollah started, even if that means civilian casualties in Gaza and Lebanon. A democracy is entitled to prefer the lives of its own innocents over the lives of the civilians of an aggressor, especially if the latter group contains many who are complicit in terrorism. Israel will -- and should -- take every precaution to minimize civilian casualties on the other side. On July 16, Hasan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, announced there will be new "surprises," and the Aska Martyrs Brigade said that it had developed chemical and biological weapons that could be added to its rockets. Should Israel not be allowed to pre-empt their use?
Israel left Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. These are not "occupied" territories. Yet they serve as launching pads for attacks on Israeli civilians. Occupation does not cause terrorism, then, but terrorism seems to cause occupation. If Israel is not to reoccupy to prevent terrorism, the Lebanese government and the Palestinian Authority must ensure that these regions cease to be terrorist safe havens.
Mr. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard.

8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ignorant, uneducated Moslem mollahs (leaders) are the biggest problem for the Moslem religion. Hate is not the way, "ask you shall receive", terrorists asked for it and they shall receive.

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Mr. Dershowitz is right on, however, Israel should of gone to the UN and the rest of the world and pleaeded their case. They should of at least said if the world did not help them rid Hezbollah then this and this was going to happen. They did a piss poor PR campaign much like Bush does. War is hell and this world is a form of hell. It is up to the good people of the world to rid itself of evil. In this case, yes Israel is very heavy handed, however, the true evil is Hezzbolah and any other human being or nation that supports the destruction of any other people or nation merely becasue they don't like their religion or that they want their land. Sure, the Balfour Declaration was not perfect........nothing is perfect in this world, but hey, it is not like Israel has a lock on vasts amounts of land or rich in oil like the other Arab countries. I just don't understand why the other Arab countries don't just make peace with them. In return, Israel would treat the PLO better since they won't be anymore terrorism, suicide bombers etc....In fact, I guarantee you that Israel, being so technologically advanced, would trade freely with all nations in the middle east which in turn would bring up the std of living for all. This is a no brainer......The righteous must rid itself of relgious zealots who advocate violence.......whether or not they are Isreali, Muslim, American etc.........Again, in this case there is an over reaction on Israel's side but let's not forget the hell's angels that got us there.......and that is the Islamic nut balls including Hezbollah, and the other nuts in the government of IRan and Syria.....IT"S TIME FOR PEACE.......but PEACE won't come about without intense pressure on the local people to demand that their governments rid itself of religous nut bags..........courage and fortitude for all

10:22 AM  
Anonymous I care said...

To all the Lebanese and Palestinians~ I am deeply saddened that my country, America, supports such autrocities. I am deeply ashamed that my fellow Americans are terribly naive to the facts of the Middle East. Also I am ashamed of the post on this website, the ones that blame you the ones who do not have a clue about the different situations. I suggest anyone with the nasty post do a bit of research ~ you will see that Israel was born out of terrorism, the Irgan gang. Research the amount of funding we send Israel, including 41 million for "asorbing jewish refugees". All while schools in America are in deplorable conditions. All that complain about you should go visit AIPAC website. My country is hostage to the Israeli lobby. If you, my fellow Americans, only knew the truth and would realize our downfall will be our alliance with Isreal and their terrorist actions.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to I care....... I also really care about you too. why dont you glorify a little more the I care about fellow americans.... sorry I didnt get your point at all I must be stupid or something! my fellow americans!

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mrtz - the answer to all your questions is YES.
Thank You

12:08 AM  
Blogger tot said...

to I care: I don't know what planet you,re on,but let me refresh your memory.In 1983 hezballah murdered 241 marines in an unprovoked attack on their barracks in beruit,while on a peacekeeping mission.the tactics used then are just as cowardly as those of today.They run out and fire their missiles and then hide in civilian areas.Israel has no choice but to pursue them to where they hide.In case you've been asleep for 30 years,Israel only attacks when attacked first.Peace will only be obtained when the savages in terrorist groups cease their hostilities or cease to exist.you are the one that is naive!!

8:36 PM  
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10:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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God help us!

11:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those people who are suffering, can't you see that all this war is about the MIGHTY US DOLLAR, all jet fighters, jet fuel , missiles etc.. are made in the US. Israel has to liquidate all this arsenal so the big military companies keep on producing, if there is no wars all these will shut down.
God help us!

11:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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God help us!

11:30 PM  
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