Tuesday, July 25, 2006

The Democratic Approach...

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Blogger PrimusInterPares said...

the world hears you! i hear you! germany stands behind the libanese people. i know, that these are just words. don`t know what else too say, but one thing. keep staying alive out there!

1:55 PM  
Blogger dobegs said...

interesting to note here who the reporter is.... what his background.... on what basis is he implying this? is it based on facts? on his own beliefs? has he talked to me about it? or to government officials? the editor of this paper obviously thinks its right to publish this 'fact-based' hate propaganda. I leave this to the blog reader's intelegence to make up their own mind about this lovely front page of the most boooring paper in the UK (also fact based...) :-)

Love and light

3:06 PM  
Blogger tuotrams said...

Wrong! German government is NOT for an immediate ceasefire.

Most politicans want the IDF to crush Hisbullahs backbone.

3:18 PM  
Blogger Bash said...

The pic on this story is based on a UN resolution that was supposed to be passed which condemned Israel's attack on Lebanon. Britain, America, and Israel were the only ones against, with the US vetoing it.. no interpretation is needed here.

3:58 PM  
Blogger Ilan said...

This is not very accurate, to say the least...G8 leaders (including Germany, Japan...)has announced a week ago that they support Ceasefire only AFTER a return of the 3 kidnapped Israeli soldires...Most of the world (including middle east Arab countires such as Egypt and Jordan) said that Hezbullas is a danger to the world and to the middle east... Putting some low-level newspaper front page as a statement says more...

4:21 PM  
Blogger Bash said...

This report is from one of the most respected newspapers in England, just try to read it and you'll see.

Further, the IDF is barely killing any hezbollah in it's attacks, actually the vast majority of it's victims are innocent civilians.

The latest count shows 16 hezbollah fighters dead, 379+ civillins killed.

You do the math, You tell me who's the "danger".

4:46 PM  
Blogger Bash said...

quick note: that this is vs. 17 Israeli civilins killed

4:48 PM  
Blogger dobegs said...

Bash - the independent newspaper in the UK has by far the smallest readership. the writing is based on the journalists personal views and opinions .... not unbiased reporting.

also re counting the dead: I think we need to wait to the end of this war to count the dead and see how many Hizbullah got killed... as currently we rely on distorted figures and facts by Hizbullah, and Israeli Press on the Israeli side. both are protecting their people's mind and I would not use any of the figures as facts.

the sad thing is ANY loss of life on any side especially on innocent Lebanease that are cought under this terrible war and their lives are so terribly disturbed, cut and pained. I feel for everyone that is hurting because of this war. I hate the fact that people's hopes and dreams will not come true due to this terrible shitti fukin war.

long live love, long live understanding, lon leave peace. there is only one way and that is peace and love.... you can smile and laugh but this is so so true.

5:00 PM  
Blogger Anon said...

The front page (on the 21st July) of the Independent is hard to look at; but as far as I can see it is rather indisputable. Tony Blair was interviewed on the BBC yesterday calling for negotiations, etc, etc. When challenged as to why this had to be exclusive from calls for an immediate ceasefire he seemed dumbfounded.

Having picked-up today’s edition of the Independent (25th July)...normally being a Daily Telegraph reader...the front page now looks far more foreboding. Maybe also worth a post?

The headline is “The Middle East: What happens next?” and poses 5 permutations along with critiques of possibility. I’d like to know what you think of each. Probably best if I refrain from attempting to abridge it myself (right?) yet if anyone is interested who cannot access it easily send a mail to mbrewster1977@yahoo.co.uk and I’ll send you a scanned version...

All the best.


10:22 PM  
Blogger mrfixit1 said...

379+ civillins killed. How do you want to bet 60% of those civilians are plain-clothed terrorists, or maybe many of them are people aiding and abetting them so they can hide missiles in your local mosque? read between the lines people.. sorry to be so doubtful but nothing is ever so simple.

2:29 AM  
Blogger mrfixit1 said...

this is plain silly. how will you have an immediate ceasefire? if israel stops they will continue to send rockets while israel commits suicide and absorbs bombs. how rational is this?

2:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its ironic for Israel government to say something like we will defend ourselves from those who would point and use thousands of rockets and missiles against our innocent citizens - when they are plainly using many more to for all intensive purposes attack innocent citizens

its frankly stupid for us then to politically hide behind the international self defense clause (we don't want to upset the large number of constituents that would be upset by the U.S. calling its homeland a warmonger - it could hurt the republican parties candidates)

I think a large portion of Americans do believe Israel had the right to defend itself - but that point has come and gone. In fact their actions have set a dangerous precedence for other fledgling nations (if you get hit, you have the right to hit back or obliterate a country, whatever works).

While I disagree with the image in general, I do concede our government is flawed in never directly answering the hard questions. We will get involved and hopefully stop this one sided war before it turns into a real war with other muslim nations that can actually hit back.

2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think arguing about the value of "The Independent" as a journal is so besides the point when Lebanon (and NOT Hizbullah) is being destroyed and multitudes of civilians are suffering...the whole world should call for cease fire before anything else is done...A human life is a human life is a human life, at least that's what I have been taught

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Yann said...

mrfixit1, who are you?

Where do you live, the states?
Where did you learn your "humanist" views of the situation? I don't know who is the target, so I decided to kill them all...

Well, what a lesson for the free world, democratie and the rest...

This paper cover is I guess the true vision of the war.

I am French and German, living in Germany at the time. Our government is dull and stupid, and I don't think that they will say anythink intelligent about the war and at the very least criticise the israelian. But, this don't meens that the people in the country support the politician or agree with them...

That germany's flag was put on the "yes" side is pretty mutch that what would come out if you asked the people... And I guess that it would be the same in pretty mutch all other countries.

2:36 PM  
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