Tuesday, September 19, 2006

No weapons import

This is for the skeptics who always claim that Lebanon is the aggressor and who think that the blockade was necessary. According to the IDF, Hizbullah is not importing new stocks of weapons and is abiding by the cease-fire, an act which the IDF cannot claim it has done.

Jerusalem Post
Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz declared that Hizbullah was strictly adhering to the cease fire in the North. "Since the end of the war Hizbullah guerillas have openly appeared without weapons or uniform," said Halutz. The chief of staff added that as far as the IDF was aware there were no meaningful attempts by the movement to smuggle arms into Lebanon from Syria since the end of the war. Halutz then declared that "if everything goes according to plan, there will be no IDF troops left in Lebanon by Rosh Hashana."
Meanwhile, earlier Tuesday, the report investigating the management of the Northern Command with regards to the capture of the two IDF soldiers on the northern border was published. The report, submitted to Halutz on Monday, highlighted serious failures and operational errors in the command. Furthermore, the report claimed that the IDF's intelligence on the intention of Hizbullah to kidnap soldiers was not up to date. The report also criticized the management of the pursuit immediately after the kidnapping.

51 Comments:

Blogger Bryansaid said...

I thought that in a previous post that everybody here had decided that the IDF had already decided to invade Lebanon again, how could that be if the IDF now is admitting that HZ is not commiting any major cease-fire violations? Maybe the IDF is not the major monster that everybody seems to hold accountable for all of the Mid. East conflicts?

4:51 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Is the idea that Israel will invade only if there is a "major cease-fire violation?"

6:39 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

bryan, that was only speculation. Nobody knows for sure. But believe me, they may find other reasons to invade again (i.e. captured soldiers, etc etc).

7:31 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

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7:36 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

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7:39 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

So that more people can see that my views and feelings are not of the few but of a growing majority.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=92780

The Muslim world needs to grow up and get a clue.

9:06 PM  
Blogger Bryansaid said...

Sam,

I agree. There is a growing anger at what seems to be the lack of any sort of moderation coming from the Islamic world.

9:15 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

In these times all people need moderation but the Islamic world is not catching up. They're still living in the past, the far far away past.

9:18 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

After reading how two men shot a nun in the back I was very angry. It's like they're trying to start a true holly war. Does every Muslim want to meet allah today?

9:20 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

Timothy Mcvey killed many innocent people because he was irrate at the govt. Should we also go after his like and blame everyone in his religion????

Idiot Sam, a little lesson for you today: Allah means God in arabic, even christians say Allah. Its derivative is even in the bible--Eli.

Think before you talk or dont comment.

10:37 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

I have never heard in 35 years of going to church my God referred to as allah. I would get up if they did. I am an American, I speak Engilsh and there god is a flase God just like Buhda and so on.

He killed and was killed for what he did. He was angry becasue the gov did it's job. In this country we handle the whakos.

Go be a cunt bitch to someone else your floor scrubing cunt.

10:56 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Oh ya and you saw that your were wrong. Thats why you could only unsult me so I did the same to you but at the level you deserve.

10:56 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

Allah means God. Go read a book and learn some history.

10:59 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

FYI, God has overy 30 names, even in the bible. You are so sad.

11:08 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

In a screwed up place it does, not in my world you knuckle dragging cunt.

11:09 PM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

Sam, I assumed that you only read cnn, fox, msnbc and may be one or two more. I am not American, but I have read almost entire US media stream, UK, Europe, Middle East, Israel, Australia, New Zealand and Asia Pacific Region on a daily basis. Therefore, the information you received will be limited and distorted and tend to be biased. Do some reading on history of all cultures then you will understand.

Never, never assign blame the entire religion, culture or group based on one or two incidents. Some of you make a big hoo ha over of the killing of one nun.

Yes, I did sympathize of what happened to her because of the pope bad mouth. The killing of Palestinian people occur every day, you did not comment anything because they are not American. Please open up your mind and your heart before making any judgement and comments. Learn how to respect people around you.

I always say look at our own biases and prejudices, we all have ones. I like to take porridge in the morning, but yours will be different, may be burger. Why all of us have different finger prints? Therefore,we have different opinion and views and we cannot simply conclude all are of the same character.

I hope you do not get angry.

11:45 PM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

mrtez, hcb, doc, rick and others how are you?

Never see rick posting for a couple of days.

11:53 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=92780&BoardsParam=Page%3D340

Please look at this, 345 pages of anti Muslim post and growing fast. The masses are speaking out.

rick is sick, has been for a week now.

12:07 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

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12:07 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

Thanks, m2timechange for your post.

Sam, anti-Muslim posts? What's new? There is nothing new there. They are just riding on the wave of the media tide. Do you realize there are over 1 billion muslims in this world? And 1 person of 1 billion has reacted negatively to the Pope's speech? Everyone has a right to protest. Only a handful get violent. You cannot assign that behavior to an entire group. Otherwise, I would be getting angry at the religion's of Scott Peterson, Timothy McVeigh and all the other jack-assess that make up this world. The media only tells you what you want to hear. Not the entire truth.

1:01 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

What ever, the world hates the muslims as do I. I'm just happy it's coming to a boiling point.

1:16 AM  
Blogger elitastar said...

thanks for the information and go ahead!

3:00 AM  
Blogger Bash said...

I am 100 convineced "Sam" isn't an american but a right-wing Jewish Israeli

No American will spend so much time and effort to diss Arabs.

We know wo would though right?...

10:18 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

"Sam" is nothing more than a foul mouthed bad joke who knows nothing, cares about nothing, has no desire to either know or be anything and wants the world to know he doesn't care. He doesn't simply disrespect Arabs - he spews his vile crap randomly at whoever or whatever irks him at the moment. He's a demented idiot child who has no values and no value and who is bound and determined to let everyone who comes near him know it.

1:14 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

i am also convinced that it is almost impossible to have someone that bigotted and idiotic roaming the internet. its like he's stuck in a bubble and they only way he eats and craps is if someone provides things to him...uncapbable of thinking of his own...so, I think he is behaving this way intenionally to elicit reaction from us as part of a CIA sting or something homeland-security related. i dont want to give him too much credit, but i cannot fathom what an idiot he is. Even the most racist of as all have more logic and reason than him.

period.

6:04 PM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

A leader needs to speak love and compassionate to other in his speech, considerate of other as much as he can. We have to be open minded to other religion since we may not know the real truth God. We all think that our own God is the truth God, but we may have misunderstanding of the True God, Allah in Islam. As long as any religion promotes "peace" and "love" for humanity, we need to accept them and leave our faith and judgment to our OWN God ... if one has faith.

6:46 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

The trouble with that, M2, is that religions are dogmatic. I just posted my argument in the next blogline down.

Your argument, essentially, is that everyone should do good and be good. I agree with you but that is not "religion." That, more propery, is civility. Christianity - and I think, all other religions - say "this is the way it is. period." I posted a brief excerpt from Isaiah in the next blogline down. There, God says "I am God" and "I am the ONLY God" and "I create all good and evil." And, "don't dare to question me." God - the Christian God - doesn't say "those other guys may be ok" or "so long as what they tell you seems good, listen." God says, "I - me - I am the ONLY God. And there will be no discussion or question in that regard. Period."

That's why the Crusades were fought and the Spanish had the inquisition and witches were burned at the stake. The Pope is in no position to be other than tolerant of other "religions" - he cannot accept that they are "correct" or he destroys the basis, for example, of catholic missions around the world specirically and evangelism and proselytizing generally. The fundamental problem is everyone in the fight is so fundamentalist. Put a very conservative jew, a very conservative muslim, a very conservative catholic and a firebreathing protestant preacher in a room and ask them to come up with a plan through which we can all agree there's only one invisible guy in the sky who's in charge of everything. Be sure the room is rubber and there's nothing that can be thrown.

But - assuming those people come to an agreement, now have them try to explain it to their followers in the same way. You think the US is having trouble interpreting the Geneva Conventions Common Article 3? Wait till four priests from different faiths try to formulate a common image of "God" and how he wants us to be.

7:14 PM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

hcb, thanks for sharing, I appreciated.

Following is the full text of the speech delivered by British Crown Prince Charles at the University of Al-Azhar, Cairo, on Tuesday, March 21, 2006.

Unity in Faith

Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been enormously touched that you should have considered inviting me to speak at this most venerable and ancient place of worship and learning. You have done me the greatest honour through your invitation and I count it a very special privilege to visit the University of Al Azhar and, indeed, to return to Egypt - a country for which I have a particular affection and which, for many, has a sacred significance as the place of refuge for the child Jesus.

More
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-03/21/article06a.shtml

7:44 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Well kids, I am an American 100% through and through. Sorry Bash, I'm not Jewish or Israeli but I wouldn't be ashamed if I were either. They're a proud and resilient people who deserve nothing but highest respect. Could you imagine how bad the world would be if Hitler targeted the Arabs? With the way they think and having a sever deficit in education and civil upbringing it would be awful. We would never hear the end of it, every Arab / Muslim would cry like a little bitch every day and use it as a building block every day and in every way.

Nope, I’m just a hater of worthless people and religions mainly the Arabs and Muslims. They make it so easy too, it’s almost fun to listen to them rant and suffer. Hey we all have to have a little hope that more of them suffer and they continue to kill each other, population control in the best way.

So Bash I can prove in everyway I am an American, born and raised living in Ca for the last ten years. I bet you can prove too that you’re a son of a pig or camel…… oh wait that’s easy, you’re a Muslim so it’s a given.

7:40 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Official: Hostages used in Iraq car bomb attacks
Interior Minister says kidnap victims’ cars secretly rigged with explosives
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi insurgents are no longer using just volunteers as suicide car bombers but are instead kidnapping drivers, rigging their vehicles with explosives and blowing them up, the Defense Ministry said Thursday.

In what appears to be a new tactic for the insurgency, the ministry said the kidnap victims do not know their cars have been loaded with explosives when they are released.

The ministry issued a statement saying that first “a motorist is kidnapped with his car. They then booby trap the car without the driver knowing. Then the kidnapped driver is released and threatened to take a certain road.”

The kidnappers follow the car and when the unwitting victim “reaches a checkpoint, a public place, or an army or police patrol, the criminal terrorists following the driver detonate the car from a distance,” the Defense Ministry statement said.

People wonder why were having issues in Iraq, and say were losing the war. What war, wars are fought by men, Arabs and Muslims are not men but cowards. You can't fight cowards like this, you have to exterminate them and everyone like them. Kill them all and let God sort them out I say. Not one Arab or Muslims deserves to live, not a sinle one. Man woman and child deserve to be with their Allah.

8:25 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Close to 6000 posts on MSN, 90% are against Muslims 7%are religious and only 3% are pro terrorist....oh wait PC. Arabs / Muslims

9:28 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb? None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!

What do you say to a Muslim woman with two black eyes? Nothing! You told her twice already!

1:30 AM  
Blogger sandoz said...

sam,

Here's a blog more in line with your racist bigotry.
http://calledasseen.blogspot.com

They're american through and through, and just like you, love a good war.
So check it out and post your drivel there.

Cheers.

5:15 AM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

Sam souvenir for you from Bush best friend.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3392652783578267863

10:04 AM  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

According to the IDF, Hizbullah is not importing new stocks of weapons and is abiding by the cease-fire, an act which the IDF cannot claim it has done.

Really? Paragraph 3 of UNSC 1701 makes the UNCONDITIONAL release of the "abducted" Israeli soldiers a precondition for the cessation of hostilities. Not doing so is a clear violation on the part of Lebanon. The current cease-fire Lebanon is experiencing is therefore a function of Israeli goodwill. If hostilities resume, under UNSC 1701 Lebanon can only have itself to blame - the U.N. will have very little to say in the matter.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

THe Lebs aka HZ have done nothing wrong in their eye's... The blind see nothing anyway. These third world people throw more stones and then try to tell the world it wasn't them and they've done nothing wrong. Liars and cowards the whole lot of them.

6:01 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

Sam is so sad. He makes me sad because he his mind is so limited. Not because he doesnt like all who are not American but because he has no logic, reason or intelligence from which to argue. I say that again and again, but this is the underlying truth of his behavior.

I do not agree with Solomon2, but at least he supports his argument with reason, documentation and logic---not hate, false stereotypes and bigotry.

If you had any respect for your beliefs, any at all, you would recognize what you are saying is completely false and has no merit on a place like this. I can tell that you have you ever been to the holy land.

7:13 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Even if I did go my feelings wouldn't change. Arabs still suck, Muslims are a dissgrace to all humans. The the supporters are almost as bad.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Nasrallah hails ‘divine victory’ over Israel
Hezbollah chief makes first appearance since war, vows group won’t disarm.

Hey I truley hope that every man woman and child that attended that rally and supports this guy dies a very painful meaningless death. He is a liar, as are the lebs. All of you deserve anythig that happens and so much more.

Burn in Hell Lebanon, I hope to see new wars on your soil soon.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

Arabs still suck, Muslims are a dissgrace to all humans.

We've all had our moments, Sam. Think of the Zealots of the first century, or the Fourth Crusaders of the thirteenth. It's all human. It's just that leading Muslims are currently drinking from the cup of hatred, and their weaker co-religionists accept being dragged into the bloodbath.

10:01 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Well it's hard to imagine in modern times..... Oh ya these nut jobs aren't modern, they come back with what about the crusades or the inquisition. Didn't these people just learn that the world isn't flat? They're thinking is so old school that I'm probably right. So I say let them all die, it's over there anyway. Our blood is safe; it's those idiots that will live like animals forever, okay more like cockroaches.

10:55 PM  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

Sam, try again. From the beginning. Slowly. Make an argument where each sentence follows naturally and logically from the next.

Rosh Hashana approaching. Happy New Year!

1:07 AM  
Blogger sadadeda said...

By the way Sam, I think that most Lebanese are smarter than you and a lot of Americans. That is why, when they come to this country to study for college, they get to skip the first year.
Those blogs that you listed mean nothing to the people here. Those people on the blogs mean nothing to us just like you mean nothing to us. Muslims probably know more about Christianity and Judaism than they know about Islam. This complete lack of respect is what causes this hatred. I have read many parts of the Bible and I see top have a pretty good grasp of what Christians stand for, but if someon is not a Muslim, they do not even dream of picking up the Quran. You make a judgement about a whole religion on the basis of what 1% or less of the religion does. So now you can see why they are angry at the Pope. Those people are jsut like you. They hear the Pope and think that it is the view of all Christians when it is not.

9:18 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

sadadeda:ignore Sam. He's hopeless and we should feel sorry for him.

--Le pauvre.

You are right, alot of Christians do not accept the view of the Pope, and alot (christian and others) do not even understand the position of the Pope....They take his statements way out of context, whether they are true or false.

9:35 PM  
Blogger duckforcover said...

Doc said...
Timothy Mcveigh killed many innocent people because he was irrate at the govt. Should we also go after his like and blame everyone in his religion????


Doc, While I use this point quite a bit while arguing against the obvious racists who support things like racial profiling, one thing needs to be understood. Timothy McVeigh never once used religion as his boat to deliver a message. He never thanked god (no matter what the name) nor did he use god as his reasoning behind such atrocities. That's the difference here. Most fundamentalists (the good, bad, and the ugly) tie their work to the writings of a deity.

8:37 PM  
Blogger duckforcover said...

and sadadeda, while I agree with you that most everybody on the planet is in some way ignorant and ill-informed, this mis-information goes both ways. You portray a religion of openness and tolerance, while behind the scenes thousands are only being told certain views and aspects of the Quran, just like christian and the bible. Your leaders are spawning a generation that doesn't even "read" the bible anymore. Both Muslims and Christians piss me off. Organized religion has failed society as well as the individual. You've read the christian bible? Good! What version? The King James? NIV? Or was it another bible interpreted by a rich white king a few hundred years ago who viewed religious tolerance as a form of treason? Islam is no different. That's why some read the writings from Mecca, some from Medina. Some are coined as moderates, some as radicals. To tell you the truth? Most are wrong in every way. Most preach all the ups and downs of the bible, then hit work on monday and become the same lying, cheating, back-stabbing, arogant human beings so confident they'll have their dying breath to ask for forgiveness to a god they've ignored their whole lives, yet feel so close to. Don't talk like you know where Christians come from because of a few passages you've read. Don't act like there's only one bad religion. They're all bad when interpreted by bad people. And ignorance goes both ways. Show me these muslims that understand the christian viewpoint and I'll show you the Christians you ignore in your writings. The ones who wouldn't bash Sam, but invite him in for dinner. (and no, I'm not sticking up for sam in anyway. And since i'm not a christian, I don't have a problem saying "F*ck off" to somebody like him)

8:51 PM  
Blogger duckforcover said...

But from Human to Human, I have to head out to work. Have a good day everyone. I mean it :)

8:54 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Many good points duckforcover. I agree with you completely on "organized" religion.

Organized religion was invented by man - not by "God" or "god" - as a way to control people. Thus, the peace loving muslims are now bent on blowing up the world because they insist their religion is peace and they are, by god, going to kill anyone who doesn't see it that way. George Bush wants a "new mideast" which really means a new crusade to impose the peaceful blessings of christianity on that part of the world. And if it takes every cluster bomb and cruise missile in our inventory to do it, then so be it.

But - so long as people have little hope in themselves, they will look for something to believe in. The easiest thing to believe in when hopeless is that there is a beautiful afterlife. The easiest thing to believe in when not hopeless is that all the hopeless people in the world want what the satisfied people have. And, therefore, the hopeless must be killed.

All of which is why God created brook trout and rainbow trout and weighted tapered line. Flyfishing precludes any ideas about world domination. The ideas of controlling nations and changing the ways people have thought and operated for centuries lose their luster when it dawns that it's damned hard to get a supposedly brainless fish to take the fly unless it's perfectly matched to the hatch. As well as perfectly presented.

10:31 PM  
Blogger duckforcover said...

HCB, I like your trout analogy. That makes too much sense. I have trouble talking to people like my father who feel that they should decide what the "best" form of goverment is you know? It's one thing to not want brutal dictators, but what about a compassionate pacifist? Would that go over well in any mideastern countries? I know that wouldn't fly here. And dont get me wrong, it very well might work in some places, but that should be up to those countries, and equally so, the people that inhabit those countries. Our system, now bear with me here, has worked for America. It was the perfect system to be put into place at the time it was sought after. It was perfect for the colonial peoples, not because it detached itself from Great Britian, but because we were able to 'chose' if we wanted that detachement, you know? I guess my whole point is that its sickening for me to hear about what WE think is best for YOU. We happened upon a system that works because we wanted it. We argued over it, fought over it, and many died over it. Now we have it. I love what my country "can" stand for, but rarely does. And not the "f" word so casually used and abused by our 3rd grade president.
Anyways, cheers.

I'd like to see a country work towards not letting people get so hopeless as to feel the beauty of afterlife is the only good thing. Let's all move to Antartica and start over!

2:54 AM  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

hcb, that's really great! Now we know what to say when we don't like what the other person writes:

Go Fish!

3:39 AM  
Blogger sadadeda said...

I completely agree with you duckforever how religions are corrupt and useless. Although I am not religions in any form and do not identify with any religion, I was born a Muslim into a Muslim family. I like to think that I try to understand other people's points-of-view. Alhtough I cannot possibly see it from everyone's side, at least I am trying and that is the best that I can do. Even if I have read the Bible and the Quran, I am not so easily swayed like other people. I take these teachings with a grain of salt. I myself have travelled all over the world including to many Arab countries. I myslef am Lebanese, but I have never encountered such hatred of other people in the Arab countries like I hear people talk about. People do not look at you funny and treat you badly because of the way that you look. They might after they hear your point-of-views. But in this country (US) a person like myself can't go to places such as an airport or a train station without being stared at. I am a 20 year old girl who looks just like any other 20 year old American, but yet I still get the looks. This kind of blind ignorance to other societies is what I was describing earlier. Although I was talking about religion, people must realize that Islam is very rooted in the Middle East and you can not describe the people without at least mentioning the religion. All of you take religion for granted. Although our government preaches about freedom, its laws are still based around fundamental rules of Christianity. So why is it so hard to believe that other countries would have their governments based around other religions. Nobody is forced to practice Islam in Lebanon. American say that other countries should judge the US government not the American people, but they turn around and think that the people of countries such as Iran and Iraq are the ones to blame. This type of doouble standard is unacceptable.

2:16 AM  

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