Monday, September 18, 2006

IDF working on creating new war plans

This is a very worrisome article as I am sure that Hizbullah is also energetically preparing for the next war. The fact that Israel is expecting Hizbullah to respond to attacks against Iran or Syria and that neo-cons are pushing Bush to bomb Iran makes the situation in this part of the world very volatile. We just came out of a devestating war, and yet they are already talking about the next one even before the multi-national force is set in place. Is this cease-fire a mirage and the quietness the silence before the storm?

Jerusalem Post

Amid growing discontent with UNIFIL and its commander, Gen. Alain Pellegrini, the defense establishment has been working on creating new operational plans for war with Hizbullah that take into consideration the existence of new players in southern Lebanon - the Lebanese army and the UN multinational force.
"Next time it will be much more complicated," a high-ranking officer in the Northern Command said Sunday.
The IDF would not be able to simply invade southern Lebanese villages like it did during the past war and would have to take into consideration that conflicts and clashes could evolve with the Lebanese army and troops from the multinational force, the officer said.
A source of IDF concern was the decision by the UN that Pellegrini would remain in his post and become the commander not only of the 2,000-strong UNIFIL force but of the new multinational force in Lebanon. Officers expressed skepticism regarding Pellegrini's ability to aggressively enforce the cease-fire and prevent Hizbullah from rearming itself and launching attacks against Israel.
"In the past, UNIFIL proved that it did not deal well with Hizbullah," one officer said. "If Pellegrini takes the same approach again it could endanger the cease-fire and create a conflict sooner than expected." Military Intelligence recently completed drafting its assessments for 2007 and predicted that Hizbullah, which it believed was currently interested in quiet so it could rebuild itself, would be ready within a year to again wage war against Israel. War with Hizbullah could break out earlier, officers said, if Iran or Syria were attacked by Israel or the United States.
"If that happens, Hizbullah will definitely need to respond," one officer said.
Hizbullah, MI further assumed, was also working on changing its military tactics and plans to abide by the UN resolution that forbids its fighters from carrying weapons openly along the border with Israel. "They will operate in the villages and their bunkers discreetly," the officer said.
Meanwhile on Sunday, the Northern Command received new orders from the General Staff Operations Directorate regarding the final withdrawal date of the remaining IDF troops still operating in Lebanon.
The soldiers, a Northern Command officer said, were currently deployed within two kilometers of the border with Israel and were mostly conducting patrols as well as laying ambushes to prevent the infiltration of terrorists into Israel.
The Northern Command said it was prepared to withdraw troops from Lebanon within two days of receiving such orders from the General Staff. Last week, officers said, it appeared that the troops would be brought back to Israel by Rosh Hashana, which falls this weekend. But officers said Sunday, new orders were received over the weekend indicating that the diplomatic echelon was interested in delaying the withdrawal.
UNIFIL has already taken up 80 percent of the territory the IDF was in control of on August 14, the day the UN-brokered cease-fire went into effect, senior officers said. As of last week, some 5,000 multinational troops had arrived in Lebanon. UN Resolution 1701 discusses the deployment of up to 15,000 multinational troops alongside the Lebanese army, which has already fully deployed in southern Lebanon.
"We are waiting to see how the multinational force deploys itself in southern Lebanon," the Northern Command officer said. "It is possible that the IDF will need to remain in Lebanon until after Rosh Hashana and beyond."


Blogger Sam said...

So the Pope has some comments about the "radical Muslims", so what do the Muslims do, they kill a nun. Way to go; keep proving that your ways are evil and that of savages. All these towel wrapped nut jobs are crying for blood all over the world. The Muslims should have been taught as children that stick and stones may break my bones but word will never hurt me. I blame the parents that have failed their children and have taught them to hate and kill for these reasons. Hopefully some Catholics maybe some Irish ones will go find some clerics and at least do it man to man and kill a few. Unlike the cowardly Muslims males who kill women that have devoted their lives to God and peace. Either the Italians or Irish should do something, since the Muslims act in blood the Catholics should do the same.

How very brave of these men to kill a nun, before you all kill me for my words think about it. If the Muslims want a holy war of Jihad I think the world should give it to them.

5:34 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

The realization has to be that any of the countries around or involved with that region have to be contemplating a bigger conflict. Israel proved it to Iraq in the 80’s that they would not allow that country to go nuclear and took care of the problem. Now the US and Europe know how bad it would be for a nut job like Pres Tom to have the ability to go nuclear. Muslims have proven that they’re not stable thinkers or even rational in the arms area. Saudi’s have the clearest picture but they’re also not trying to go nuclear. Sure there are normal thinking Muslims but they sure do know how to stay quite and hidden and let the nut jobs do all of the talking for the religion.

Should the Israel’s think an plan for a bigger war on multiple fronts? Duh yes! This problem is going to get allot worse before it gets better and the little Leb’s will be caught in the middle again because they allow it to happen. Sure America may take some strikes and casualties but that’s life, its called population control. Lets see which are takes the majority, anyone want to place a bet and I’ll give 5 to 1 odds.

6:18 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Updated: 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
NAIROBI, Kenya - A nun shot four times at the Somali hospital where she worked forgave her killers as she lay dying, colleagues said Monday in the wake of her slaying, which has focused attention on Islamic radicalism in the Horn of Africa.

Sister Leonella, 65, muttered the words “I forgive, I forgive” in Italian after being shot by gunmen Sunday, the Rev. Maloba Wesonga told The Associated Press at a memorial Mass for the nun in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi.

Her killing was not a random attack and could have been sparked by remarks by Pope Benedict XVI about Muslims that have sparked angry reaction from Muslims around the world, said Willy Huber, regional head of the Austrian-funded hospital where Sister Leonella worked.

Sister Leonella, whose birth name was Rosa Sgorbati, had lived and worked in Kenya and Somalia for 38 years, her family said.

She was shot as she left the S.O.S. hospital. Her bodyguard also was slain. The two had been walking the 30 feet from the Mogadishu hospital to the sister’s home, where three other nuns were waiting to have lunch with her.

“She had no chance,” Huber added. “It was like an execution.”

Abdurahman Mohamed Farah, the deputy leader of the Supreme Islamic Courts Council, said the nun’s killing was unrelated to the pope’s speech, blaming it instead on Somali warlords who lost control of Mogadishu in June after intense fighting with the Islamic militia.

“We will punish the culprits behind this nasty killing,” he told journalists in the capital. One man has already been arrested.

6:41 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

"Military Intelligence recently completed drafting its assessments for 2007 and predicted that Hizbullah, which it believed was currently interested in quiet so it could rebuild itself, would be ready within a year to again wage war against Israel. War with Hizbullah could break out earlier, officers said, if Iran or Syria were attacked by Israel or the United States."

It should be no surprise to anyone that Hezbollah would rebuild itself. That's what it was doing for the past six years or so.

What IS surprising is an assessment that "war could break out earlier" if Israel or the US attacks Iran or Syria. The assessment by itself is, of course, logical. But that was the assessment last year as well. My understanding from a variety of articles was that Hezbollah would open another front if Israel attacked Syria or Iran and it would raise the stakes by attacking Israel if the US attacks Iran.

That's the way treaties work - if one ally is attacked, it's an attack on all.

The real question for the planners is will Hezbollah attack Israel in the absence of an Israeli and/or US attack on Iran and/or Syria? Or, is it a foregone conclusion Iran will have to be invaded?

The subordinate question lies in the way the assessment is worded - "war could break out earlier ...." Given the events of the past summer, I read that to mean "war" is intended but might come earlier than intended.

6:42 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

LUGOFF, S.C. | A man suspected of kidnapping a 14-year-old girl and keeping her in an underground bunker was charged Sunday with raping the teen.

Kershaw County Sheriff Steve McCaskill said Vinson Filyaw had eluded police with an elaborate system of hideouts and bunkers since November 2005, when he was charged with criminal sexual conduct with a 12-year-old girl.

He surrendered Sunday morning to police as he walked along Interstate 20 near Columbia, about five miles from where investigators found the teenager.

Police said Filyaw, 36, abducted the girl as she walked home from a school bus stop on Sept. 6.

6:48 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

“We shall break the cross and spill the wine. ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome. ... God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen,” said the statement.

Just another peace loving Muslim posting his feelings of love, compassion and understanding. The these idiots wonder why we don't trust them. Why we should profile the entire lot of them. They should all be branded like cattle and corralled. At least cattle have a us in this world, they feed people. What good do the Muslims offer?

7:04 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Hey Stains, was that your brother? Or is it your lame attempt to slander a religion, I could see it.

7:23 PM  
Blogger Bryansaid said...

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida in Iraq warned Pope Benedict XVI on Monday that its war against Christianity and the West will go on until Islam takes over the world, and Iran’s supreme leader called for more protests over the pontiff’s remarks on Islam.

Protests broke out in South Asia and Indonesia, with angry Muslims saying Benedict’s statement of regret a day earlier did not go far enough. In southern Iraq, demonstrators carrying black flags burneAl-Qaida in Iraq and its allies issued a statement addressing the pope as “a cross-worshipper” and warning, “You and the West are doomed, as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere.

“You infidels and despots, we will continue our jihad (holy war) and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks and raise the fluttering banner of monotheism, when God’s rule is established governing all people and nations,” said the statement by the Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups in Iraq.

Another Iraqi extremist group, Ansar al-Sunna, challenged “sleeping Muslims” to prove their manhood by doing something other than “issuing statements or holding demonstrations.”

“If the stupid pig is prancing with his blasphemies in his house,” the group said in a Web statement, referring to the pope, “then let him wait for the day coming soon when the armies of the religion of right knock on the walls of Rome.”

In Iran, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States. He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an “excuse for suppressing Muslims” by depicting them as terrorists.

“Those who benefit from the pope’s comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests,” he said, referring to the United States.


12:36 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

The man is a raving maniac. Not unlike John Brown. Remember - he's playing to the tv cameras and the more attention he gets, the more he'll rant and rave. Best is simply to dismiss him as the crazy person he is and ignore him. If we yell back, it gives him credibility. So - "yes, my son. I hear you. God loves you. Even if no one else does. Calm down."

1:56 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Stains, are you claiming to be God now?

7:35 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

The pope is an idiot. Sorry to say that as a catholic, but i have no choice. if he was wise, he would put an end to this with a sincere apology. It is also not all his fault for the misunderstanding of his speech...people took it way out of context, although there were certain sentences that appeared to be rather antagonistic. This will have ramifications for chrisitian populations living in muslim countries, e.g. lebanon, syria, iraq.

7:36 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Trouble, Doc. The pope is infallible by divine definition. Wouldn't an apology affect the image of infallibility? And, of course, we have a rock and hard place problem. One infallible institution (the New York Times) calling for an apology on another infallible institution (the papacy)

It seems it might be wise for the NY Times and the Pope to get together and say something along the lines of the old chestnut:

"I know you think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard wasn't what I meant."

8:20 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Doc read what you wrote; you are a dumb very person. If he's not responsible for people misunderstanding his speech then why is he an idiot? He quoted text form the past, the towels got bent as always over nothing. They’re just looking for a reason to kill and start new wars. Just the Arab/ Muslim third world way.

10:03 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

He is an idiot, because he doesnt understand the implications of people's misunderstandings.

Think about it a little, my dear sam.

10:30 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Idiot child, read what you wrote and then try to figure out what you said. For a REAL challenge, explain what you meant to say. YOU, idiot child, are the "dumb very person" - you see nothing but the surface, you have no understanding at all of innuendo and you satisfy yourself by spouting bigoted inanities concerning things for which you have absolutely no understanding. Your always included attempt at insult reveals a bigoted, uneducated fool who likes to hear himself shout in the wind. It is your kind of moron the real terrorists in this world count on. You provide the excuse as well as the fodder.

As always - and as you accuse the "towels" you "got bent as always over nothing" and spit your non-sequiturs while you remain completely oblivious to what really is going on.

With a few more years and a lot more school, you'll learn the most important lesson of your life: Stay quiet and appear a fool rather than open your mouth and remove any doubt.

And if you don't like the way I address you, try cleaning up your own act.

10:31 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

Hcb Doc Try reading the popes speech it was 10 pages long what the press picked up was one line . The other 9 pages he was trying to point out that 90% of our believes are the same and even the emperor that hated Mohamed in fact said that we have common believes. And as for the pope being divine you are wrong. He is our divine leader but he is man there for he can make mistakes and did apologize. And I'm sure will try to make moderate Muslims happy. What dose it show the world when people take offense to the pope saying that they want to spread there religion by the sword so they declare jhade agency all non believers. Do they think I will not die for my religion.

10:57 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Fuck Off Stains, my people are speaking out [mulsim haters ] around the world. Go Fuck yourself and eat the shit from my ass you traitor pussy fuck.

10:58 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Oh ya look around you fuck, how many people are posting here now? Do the math you fucking ass eating peice of shit.

Oh ya, don't have a nice day too. May your whole family die too, I prey and dream they do.

11:02 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

I agree Kevin...The media only picks up what it wants, and the Muslim community only understands what is told to them (just like any other community). That's why I said people took his comments OUT of context...he also said that Christians were also guilty of the same things...etc etc.

But he has a duty as a religious leader to unite people together. If people misinterpreted the context under which he spoke, then he has a duty to make things right. He is fallable, of course. He is not God, he is not Jesus. He can learn some things from John Paul II. He still thinks he is a professor at a university. He's the Pope, for God's sake.

11:05 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Come on Stains, look around and know that you have moved so many people away from this site. Well Doc and a few others helped. Just know that there are people out there that truly wish a train crashed into your minivan with your intire family in it.


11:07 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Let's see - all the attempted insults and vile, foul language. A lot of it I understand from things you've said in the past. But - what is "stains?"

Idiot child - if you were a fish I'm not sure what it would be but I know as a certainty it would not be a brook trout or a rainbow. You rise far too easily to any kind of bait.

Now - idiot child - for your next session, you are assigned to read what you just wrote twenty times. And then write what it is you were trying to say. And do it in complete sentences without grammatical errors.

This is a quiz, idiot child. And you will be graded.

11:10 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

"entire" - not "intire"
minus 3 points for spelling

11:10 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

"May your whole family die too, I prey and dream they do." Sam is really a christian. Really? If Sam is a Christian, then I would like to become Muslim.

11:11 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Who cares, and Doc go become a towel too. I'm a man not a God so I am not perfect and hate is a sin so call me a sinner.

11:15 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Hey Stains since you're to scared to show yourself at least tell me where your mother and fater are so I can go piss on their graves.

11:16 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

I'm assuming their dead, if you were my son I would have taken my life along time ago for being a failure. Raising a traitor and pussy like yourself.

11:18 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

And I also agree, Kevin - but it's not all the people who are reading it wrong, I don't think. It's the firebrands who want to stir up trouble - they take words out of context and without attaching the intended meaning. But I think it's a mistake to apologize - as opposed to explain. His apology is already being touted as "we gagged the pope." He ought to take the opportunity to restate what he said and explain his meaning - not apologize as if what he said is wrong.

For instance - he could also bring up the inquisition and the crusades as terrors created in the christian faith. We had witch burnings and still have rattlesnake handlers. I think his point is that we have to get beyond that kind of thinking that leads to the kinds of terrors we're experiencing today. But - as Doc says, that will not play in the papers.

And - although I'm not catholic - my understanding always was the Pope is considered infallible in church doctrine. I'm wrong there?

11:20 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Idiot child has missed two doses of his medication - bear with him as he stomps and spits. Does the idiot child need more time to explain what he's talking about? And what "stains" means?

11:21 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Do you see, Doc and Kevin, how easy it is to incite an uneducated, unthinking, desperate person to violence? Here's an idiot child who says he started a company that he personally caused to realize profits of more than 300,000 dollars, for which he hired and trained more than 300 people and who says he is a gentleman with impeccable manners. And all I have to do is correct him in some way and he becomes a vile, screaming, crazed maniac spitting filth and stomping around tearing his clothes.

Now - imagine a people who are already impoverished, who have little hope for a better life, who have been taught they are being prepared for heaven. Imagine telling those people the leader of the western religion thinks their messiah is a murderer and terrorist. If I can get such a reaction from an idiot, spoiled, uneducated child, think what it must be like if the grievances are real.

11:26 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Go back in time Stains, it's all you. I would have blocked it out too if I were a Coward like you.

You think I'm letting two shits like you two get me in an outward way? Don't flatter yourself, as second I log off you're nothing to me. I was proven right today, the world is responding to the Muslim shits of the world. Go read other blog sites. You may becasue no one is here anymore thanks to you.

You killed Beirut Live, to funny. As long as you post here my hate flows. I know your writing too so even if you try to log in as Stains or Betty I'll know it's you.

11:27 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Oh Stains, I made more this morning than you make all month. Maybe I'll buy your wife or daughter a nice gift. How about a pearl necklace?

11:28 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Another change, idiot child. A week ago you were bragging about how you "won" by chasing so many people away. They haven't gone away - you simply haven't been invited. Enjoy yourself in your drooling gibberish. You've made my point.

11:30 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

I would Have to say you are worng as a catholic Iwas brought that he is are Divine leader and we are to follow his doctrine but he as a man is not infallible.
I will get a better explanation from my priest and get back to you.

11:33 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

So be it, I guess you come here becasue you love to be insulted by me. Man if someone said that about my wife I'd stop hidding behind her. What a pussy Stains.

11:34 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Kevin - a point I'd read this morning that seemed to support what I was saying is quoted below. But - it's like a lot of dogma - it can be interpreted different ways. In any event, it's at


The Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra -- that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church -- is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent"

The quote is only the beginning of a long article.

11:38 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

That's your problem, idiot child: if anybody says anything you don't like, you rise like a barracuda to the bait and start snapping and snarling and generally acting stupidly. You don't have the maturity to recognize others may not agree with you. Rather, you demand agreement or spew vile insult. And it never occurs to you to step back to see what you've said and to see just how idiotic it makes you appear.

11:41 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

I emailed Father Leon for his explanation but he Probably wont get back to me till tomorrow. But from what you wrote . I can better explain what I was brought up to under stand. The pope is the leader by setting and writing doctorate on the way we are to live our lives. In that he is divine and infallibility
I.E. ( it is a sin to live a gay life stile ) but if he is talking to some one or a group of people not setting the doctrine of the church then he is doing so as a man not with the spirit of god.

12:06 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Please look at this, 345 pages of anti Muslim posts and growing fast. The masses are speaking out and are down on the Muslims all over the world.

12:13 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

HA HA I told you I was not the minority, I speak with the majority.

12:14 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

345 pages of posts who agree with you, huh, idiot child? And that makes you the majority?

Do you see what I mean? You don't think before you speak. Then you don't read what you write before you send. Then you don't step back and look at what you've written.

First of all, a near majority of Americans voted for Bush. But I don't use that fact to say it proves a majority of Americans are stupid - it proves only they believed the lies and were seriously misled by the Bush gang. But - if it makes you feel better, I'll admit you are one of the 53 million fools who supposedly voted for Bush. And you are one of the millions of fools who think spending billions of dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq is a good idea. And you are one of the millions of fools who think the way to world peace is to subjugate an entire region of the world and attempt the modification (if not elimination) of its religion. That's the kind of idiocy that led Israel to think it could "win" a "war" with Lebanon and the rest of the world. And that's the kind of idiocy that will keep on costing thousands of American lives and billions of American dollars to accomplish absolutely nothing over the next unknown number of years until we get some thoughtful people in office.

And that, you idiot child, is what this blog was intended for - to encourage discussion among people in different areas of the world who have widely different understandings and views. And along you come with your complete ignorance and vile approach to everything you hear. You are a complete loss, idiot child. What you think is insulting is, in fact, boring. But you provide the foil for making the point.

12:36 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

Thanks, Kevin - I admit I don't understand the concept because I don't understand infallibility. And I have difficulty in the dualism of what you were taught. It seems to me he has the same kind of problem in that regard as the president - when I hear him, I always think of him as the pope who is speakng as the church. Not just "for" the church - AS the church.

In any event, even if he's not infallible, his words were taken out of context unfairly and given a spin he clearly didn't intend. I'd have preferred to have him explain that or to have had it explained for him rather than him seemingly admit to being wrong for having said them. And I don't mean that for the sake of pride - I mean it because he was sincere and he meant to make a point which was missed and is now lost forever. I believe in the value of compromise but I don't think it's good to simply back down so abruptly just because Muslims started screaming again.

12:48 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

HCB and Kevin--I agree that the Pope should not apologize, for I do believe the jist of what he says is true and should be followed-i.e. religion should not be used to incite violence and conversion, as it is against the nature of God-but rather explain better what he meant..but he bears that responsibility and no one else. Its worse than not saying anything at all. Hurting someone intentially or unintentionally results in the same consequences. I am sorry I cannot give more details about the Pope as I am Maronite Catholic and we do not follow the pope as directly as Roman Catholics. We do believe in him as holy, etc, but we have our own patriach. Regardless, he is NOT saying anything new, but he presents it in a provocative way. Like I said, he still thinks he's a prof.

12:54 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

The trouble now is that if some religious figure comes to the front and proposes a faith based "solution" and sincerely tries to get all the people together, he (or she) will be made into the anti-christ by the media and, possibly, some of the religious zealots on all sides. There was a time that Henry Kissinger was thought to be the anti-christ.

Fortunately, I don't think George Bush will ever be accused in that regard.

1:18 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Stains this blog is intended for my calling you a pussy and coward. You are just the quintessential coward, you’re the standard that all cowards are judged too.

1:22 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

I'm gathering that is intended for me, idiot child. Aside from being boring, it's meaningless unless you at least explain what "stains" means - as I've asked three times before.

You are just like the energizer bunny, idiot child - you keep on pounding and pounding and pounding .... with never a rational thought. But - you always say the same thing. Predictability is part of what makes you so completely boring. No education is another part. And shrieking the same foul language rounds it out.

You are starting to sound like a hashish crazed mullah speaking in tongue

1:28 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Like I said Stains, you're so good at history dig it up. Your the cut and paste king.

2:03 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

It's just not that interesting to me, idiot child. Take your medicine and go to bed. You've made a fool of yourself today and you should try to be better tomorrow

2:32 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

he is boring, youre right. not even entertaining any more.

2:55 AM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

'A man with little sympathy for other faiths'

Pope Benedict is being portrayed as a naive, shy scholar who has accidentally antagonised two major world faiths in a matter of months. In fact he is a shrewd and ruthless operator, argues Madeleine Bunting - and he's dangerous,,1875791,00.html

7:33 AM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

Pope Ruins John Paul's Peace Message

"I do think that is done on purpose: this is someone who has always voiced his thoughts, sometimes brutally. He is no diplomat," Vallet said.

The historian added that Benedict is much closer to the United States than his predecessor John Paul II, who opposed both Iraq wars, never condemning a single element of US foreign policy.

Rene Remond, another historian, said that while the pope's address was "lucid and intellectually sound, one could wonder whether it was politically opportune."

7:48 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

so far, i am not liking this pope. its too bad...

6:00 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Before going too far about the pope, Doc, read some of Isaiah and think about it. Here's a little to whet you appetite:

Isaiah 45 beginning at verse 5:

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God says He did it and does it all and no other person or "god" or prophet even helped. And, as you read the following verses, you will see that God says, and don't you dare question me - does the pot question the potter who made the pot?

Of course, christians don't make the huge noise about this that muslims are making - there's a problem there if we do: our God is the ONLY god. Our god made all good and evil. And our god said, "shut up" when people question His intentions or purpose.

The Pope, if I understand it correctly, IS the word of God - or, I suppose, more accurately, channels the word of God. That being so, the Pope cannot admit or even accept the idea of Muhammad being much of anything except an interloper or pretender. But don't Muslims believe much the same way?

So - is there not an irreconcilable conflict between Islam and everything else? Unless, of course, we can get general agreement that we're all talking about the same "God" and the only problem is in deciding who the true prophet is - Jesus Christ or Muhammad or Buddha or Benedict or Olmert.

But - lots of luck. Christians can't decide on who's right about Jesus. Is he the "son of God" or is he "God incarnate?" Add to that our allys - Jews - who believe in the historical Jesus but don't believe he's God. Ignoring the wars fought over the distinctions without real differences, a lot of people give a lot of money to a lot of preachers to spread their own ideas of who God and the messian and true prophets are. And now the pope is checking in.

And, no matter the difference between ex cathedra and just talking, the pope is the pope. If he even hints at being fallible, his "fallibility" will be the news of the millenium in the muslim world. And Nasrallah and his ilk will be saying, "do you see? The Jews are evil and the Christians have a false prophet." It doesn't matter if you can win the argument. The people listening to him are not the people with whom you would be having the argument. They are listening to the sound bites where the pope is saying his mea culpa.

6:58 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

Hcb As to your comment “Christians can't decide on who's right about Jesus. Is he the "son of God" or is he "God incarnate.” he is all. He is the father the son and the holy ghost (or spirit ). as a roman catholic we believe that there is only one god. The same god as the Jews Muslims . There is no problem getting to gather with other religions . We believe that the Jews missed out in seeing the truth in Jesus and Mohamed was a great religious leader who converted the pagan from there ways. But most of all God is the father and like any father he dose not hate a son. Or will he punish a son who dose wrong out of not knowing. We can love other religions and still feel sorry for them because they were misguided. Just as you and I can agree to disagree so can religions.

Ps this is the way I inter pit what I was taught not necessarily right.

8:47 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

I agree with Kevin. Islam, christianity and Judaism are very related..cousins, if you will. Mulims believe in Jesus and the virgin Mary, yes, but only as a prophet and not the "son" of God. Islam cannot grapsed the idea of the trinity. But there are alot of underlying similiarities...the western media always wants to put a divide without stressing the similarities. It always makes me irrate to hear people talking about "Allah" without knowing what they are talking about. It is not the God of Islam, as Allah means God in Arabic. As I said before, Christians in the middle east also refer to God as Allah. Anyways, as far as the Pope, he interprets the word of God, which is the bible, which is Jesus. He is not either of those things, and therefore he is fallible. This is my personal opinion. I respect the pope but do believe that he is human and makes mistakes.

9:10 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

That's what I always understood, Doc - I was raised Episcopalean. But an awful lot of blood has been shed over who's "right." We have people who believe they must use rattlesnakes in practicing christianity and others who believe $500 in "seed" money will be "planted" with God to return 20 times that in time - just give it to the preacher. The catholic church is the largest, richest corporation in the world and has more than a billion followers. But those followers can't all agree on whether God said birth control (much less, abortion) is ok. Some catholics I know condemn the death penalty as usurping power that should only be exercised by God and other catholics say, no - an eye for eye is what God intended. Some protestants insist Jesus is God in one form of the holy trinity and others insist "no - there are three distinct parts to the holy trinity - Jesus was God's son - not God himself."

Native Americans will say, "one thing we don't do is argue about who God is or what he means." But, of course, they see God in everything - trees, animals, streams ... everything.

What is truly amazing to me is that the arguments centering on God and religion can be so explosive - even deadly. Other than the fringe types - like the satanists - most religions teach peace and love and tolerance and respect for each other. Those religions are based in "God's" pronouncements. And so now we have a pope who says Islam taught (or teaches or thinks about) violence. And Muslims are ready to kill anybody who thinks they aren't peaceful and loving and tolerant. And they have a very special place in their hell for anyone who says anything bad about THEIR prophet being anything other than loving.

But, of course, blasphemy used to be punished by auto de fer - burning at the stake or drowning in the dunking chair or being buried to the neck and then stoned to death.

Religion - whether catholic, jewish, muslim, coptic or anything else - is created by people to control other people. It's not created by "God." In fact, the Christian God would say, "you people are nuts - I put you there to have fun and you want to make up all these rules to get into heaven when you die. You are nuts!" But, how better to enforce a law than to say it's "God's law" and if you disobey you go to hell.

Which, of course, gets into the hands of the evil people and the believers get screwed.

The answer, of course, is to go sit under a beautiful sky like we have here today. Thank God for letting you feel so good about being alive. And then go say something nice to somebody before going back to work. And don't listen to the guy Sunday who tells you what you have to know in order to know God. Say something nice to him for taking half an hour to preach to you and then go out and enjoy the nice day God gave you unconditionally. God said, in Isaiah, don't be questioning me about who you are or who I am or what I mean or any of that stuff. And, he said, I did EVERYthing - so shut up and enjoy it. But - we've got all these people who know better and they are, by God, gonna make me believe it or kill me or themselves trying.

9:39 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

HCB I have to ask I never heard of rattlesnakes in practicing christianity. How dose that work?

10:51 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Here's an article on it:

"They're members of the Holiness Pentecostal faith, and they are religious fundamentalists who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God that should be taken literally."

One such tenet, from the book of Mark, quotes Jesus speaking to his disciples before he ascends to heaven: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

By handling poisonous snakes during their often-frenzied religious services, "they believe they're verifying the word of God for the rest of us," Leonard said. "They're saying that if it's not possible to take up serpents, then maybe it's not possible that Jesus rose from the dead."

10:59 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Note that the article deals with a guy who got bit and died. Which raises the question, of course, "Did Jesus rise from the dead?" (this guy didn't) It also raises the question of "God made rattlesnakes poisonous for a reason. He also did NOT make people immune to the poison for a reason. Is there a hidden meaning there somewhere?"

There's a lot of crazies making up the rules.

If you want to impress your friends, read Daniel and Ezekiel. While you're reading Ezekiel, think "helicopter."

11:11 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

Hcb I think there is part of the problem of radical religious extremist. You cant take any thing written by man out of it's context and literally. A lot of the books of the bible were written in medifors . I think that goes the same for the coran (sorry I can't find correct spelling). I do know that when Mohamed talked of killing non believers it was when they were being hunted by the pagan king and not the Christians or the Jews. Pleases correct me if I'm wrong.

Back to Lebanon. How are thing going over there is food and supplies getting in?

11:34 PM  
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11:53 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Hey Stains, does you wife like black men? I mean since you can't give her what she needs and all. Does she? How about your daughters, do they take it in the tail pipe?

11:55 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

apparently the Lebanese are making a speedy comeback. that is my understanding. again, its their nature and national character to start anew again and again. been through it for centuries. as far as the economy, its currently in ruins, but there is a lot of effort being put forth to improve and re-invest. the gov't has stepped in to offer substantial money to people of the south who lost their homes with the stipulation that they do NOT move out of the country...they must re-build in Lebanon.

the religious conversation can go on for months, so i prefer not to comment anymore. I must say that I do not think we have a christian or muslim God. Truth only takes the form of itself. i choose to believe and understand God through the language of christianity and Christ as an example for living as that is the truest to God that I know and makes the most sense ( I have studied other religions).

12:30 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Most people that are used to being crushed over and over are good at rebuilding. They need to get used to it, but I say we treat it like New Orleans, rebuild it once and if it gets nailed again just move away. Hey move to the West, it may be wetter but no one on this side of the world will care.

12:53 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

Lebanese will never "move on or away". That country is too important for everyone in the region. That's why it was such a big deal with this latest wave of conflict. It is the gateway to the east, but also reflects much of the west. It brings together 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa. All is represented there--east and west, all religions and culture.

1:59 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Well then let them die and suffer. Once Turkey gets wound up and tries to kill the pope the western world and the rest of the civilized world will trun on the Arab and Muslims like theres no tomorrow. We can only hope they try, they're that dumb too. I'm not hoping the world comes apart but the Muslims will never let the world enjo peace so why wait? Lets take the gloves off and ge tthe fight over with. Leb to Iran will be the site of WWIII, imagine how big Israel will be then. We should give them forever all conqured lands.

8:01 PM  
Blogger JustJoe said...

I for one am sick and tired of Islamic arrogance. The world should wake up and call it for what it is. A religion of intolerance despite their hypocritical cries to the contrary. Their murderous actions match their inflammatory rhetoric. It pains me considerably to lump all muslims into a category. However, it is difficult to overlook the teachings of their holy book. From my reading of the Koran, it seems that dialogue and compromise with Christians and Jews are incompatible with Islam. Simply put, we are Dhimmis and as such are not entitled to equitable dealings. Islam must universally reign supreme or the tenants of the religion invalid. Hence, Islam has painted itself into a corner and conflict is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

8:04 PM  

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