Monday, August 07, 2006

You have to see this

If you thought "Donkey Days" was funny, check this out. It's one of those rare media moments that will probably not be repeated--so check it out now before it vanishes into the ether

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html#

37 Comments:

Blogger Carmel said...

oh come on, this narrative is twisted. what's that BS about Hezbollah being some Lebanese militia? gimme a break, the Lebanese themselves blame them for serving foreign interests. you know, I'm willing to take a lot of crap from Lebanese people but not from Americans who have no idea what they're talking about. When israel decided to leave Lebanon 6 years ago, did anyone hear the peace bells ringing? i wish it was that simple.

We should be getting beyond "they started" stories in order to bring something so crazy to its complete END. all those stories end up somewhere along the old testament. Hezbollah has so much in common in terms of religion with our religious extremist, that I'm tempted to put them all in the same country they warship and let us all go some place else we could actually live.

seriously, it's time to deal with reality and everyone's co existence here and not search more angles on dead-end past narrations.

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the past narrative is why millions of palestinians are living in refugee squalor today. You might want to forget the past but they live it everyday

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why isn't he PM of Britain or President of the U.S.? As an American, I would kiss his hands right now and thank him! That was the best thing I have seen since...I don't know when! Kisses to Galloway!
-a fed up American!

p.s. people should also watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&pr=goog-sl

pps. Murdoch...is an old wrinkled Israeli soldier.

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is the definition I got for terrorism, when I simply googled it:
Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, or threat of violence to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, to bring about compliance with specific political, religious, ideological, and personal demands.[1] The targets of terrorist attacks typically are not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but rather the societies to which these individuals belong. Terrorism is a type of unconventional warfare designed to weaken or supplant existing political landscapes through capitulation or acquiescence, as opposed to subversion or direct military action. The broader influence of terrorism in the modern world is often attributed to the dramatic focus of mass media in amplifying feelings of intense fear and anger.

The term is also used pejoratively to assert that the violence targets "innocent civilians," or that it is immoral, wanton, unjustified, indiscriminate, or executed "with disregard for human life."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

what I don't understand is according to this definition, how could hezbollah or any other Muslim radical group be classfied as a terrorist group while the actions of Israelis killing innocent people and disrupting the infrastructure or even the US killing Iraqi civiliants, creating a hostile and fearful state for the Iraqi and even possibly causing a civil war not be considered terrorist or even defensive.

where does terrorism stops and defence begins, what really defines the line between terrorism and defence? and more importantly who is to draw such a line?

nowhere in the definition I got identifies being a third world country, more specifically in the middle east and also being Muslim as the criteria for being a terrorist. but in today's media these criteria always follow terrorism.

I personally belive that it is the media especially in the west that is assigning the title of terrorist to Iraq, Hezbollah or Iran or any other country and for that matter the term is simply used to justify the violence we see in Iraq, Lebanon or any part of the middle east. and when I look at it, the western powers (US, UK, or Israel) fit the defnition of terrorism just as much as the Hezbollah or AlQaida.

5:56 PM  
Blogger Ilan said...

See what drugs can do to your brain??...He must be a friend of the notorious Adnan Hajj - both are creating history by inventing it....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21965_Green_Helmet_Guy_Rides_Again&only

6:22 PM  
Blogger Ilan said...

...And here are some more history creators...Digital photography is a bless...Long live Photoshop.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is great...if only more people would here this truth..it is skewed to the other side, but sometime others need to see it like that in order to understand...poor british anchorwoman was unable to refute or respond effectively and logically to any of his statements...


thanks for sharing!

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha this guy is awsome

7:09 PM  
Blogger Carmel said...

to the anonymous who speaks of the Palestinians: those who insist to mix up Lebanon with Palestine are making a huge mistake and distortion. the Palestinian problem will not be solved by waging more war on Israel, on the contrary, we were on the road of peace there but so many extremists are not letting that happen, from both sides.

if anyone would mind his own business that would be so great, cause this way nobody knows what is he fighting for anymore. i forgot, why is Hezbollah fighting us anyway? i mean they're not really worried about the Palestinians, are they? you know, ex PM Begin wanted to give Gaza back to Egypt with Sinai but Saadat refused. smart man, he knew what could evolve there, and i dunno how this problem would have been handled inside an Arab non democratic country. there probably wouldn't have been an Intifada since the Egyptians would have shot every one in the first round of protest. how's that for an alternate reality? i say keep the Palestinians out of this, there's enough trouble as it is. i don't know who's "right" is it to be here, but i do know everyone who is here de facto should work it out somehow and stop waving thier guns.

7:29 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

fack! "road to peace" - there is no such thing with the isaeli's.

If you are an israeli and think that there had ever been such a thing then you are a fool. The israeli government does not want peace, they cannot live without murder.

7:49 PM  
Anonymous tool hater said...

fack tool! fack tool hard so he shuts up for good.

8:11 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

fack u bitch! you shut your stupid pie hole!

w00t

8:15 PM  
Anonymous tool hater 2 said...

w00t

fack your shit hole you slime ball fackface twat.
I'd use the C word but aint nice on others on here.

I suggest a butt plug with lots of lube... that hsould keep you smiling for a while. :)

h00t

8:39 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

be quite you silly cunt!

w00t

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ILAN - give me one bit of his speech that is hitorically incorrect.

8:44 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

the scots rock! go rangers!!!

w00t

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This guy is a king - can any israeli in here please dispute any one of his points. To disregard what he says just like that means nothing to me... bring me factual evidence that contradicts any of his points.

8:59 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

i'm king!!!

w00t

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the biggest difference between a terrorist group and a legitimate government.

If a legitimate government kills or damages others then their own people, the world, and even their legal and political system will take care of the problem and make whole the people who were unjustly hurt.

In a terrorist state or group, they simply kill, bully, intimidate and in some cases pay parents of their own people to have their kids blow them self up in the name of their religion or cause (which is really about money and power for their little group just like organized crime is). What a sick world and what a bunch of sick people who would send their kids out to be killed so they can get some money. How do you choose? Well Sammy, we never really liked you in the first place and so we want you to go out and kill yourself to make someone else rich and powerful and so we can make some money off you. Go on!! We have too many kids to feed anyways.

Well what if you simply refuse like in a real government. In terrorist societies you may have your house with your family blown up, your kids taken out and stoned, or simply shot on the spot like pigs. Way to go!!! Sounds like a great place to live for the family.

And where are these so called "religious" men who call for this death of their own people? Well they are sipping on $200 bottles of grog, rubbing elbows with the elite, and watching it all from CNN counting their millions of the suffering of their people.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous fighting 4 peace said...

Nice shot galloway

Murdoch must be really upset,

he must have fired the interviewer already

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gallaway says it as it is. He was right on Iraq, and everyone ignored him. And he's also right on Lebanon.

He forgot to mention that successive Israeli racist governments do not provide air raid shelters to their Arab population.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous heya this is Lili -) said...

well, here is some points I've found in my research of what the guy said:

read some on wikipedia about Shebaa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms#UN_Resolution_242_.281967.29

I find the part of *Lebanon's claim (2000)* very interesting. specially the part that says: "However, Hezbollah's spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin had this to say about the Farms: "If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.”[10]."

Another point to notice is that UN resolution after 2000 withdrawal is that Israel has finished it's withdrawal and that’s it. no more claims from Lebanon (as far as their decision). Lebanon did not agree to that.

About the prisoners. I found it very hard to find any information about it. here is what I've got:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5211930.stm

saying:
Israel now admits to holding just three Lebanese. Chief among those is Samir Qantar, serving several life sentences for murder after attacking a civilian apartment block in Nahariya in 1979.
Israel has refused to discuss releasing Qantar, often linking his status to its search for information about Ron Arad, an Israeli airman missing since being shot down over Lebanon in 1986.

Apparently both sides are trying to achieve advantages by capturing people.
I do believe Hizbulla spokesperson when he says they will not stop there. So, I'm not saying what Gallaway said is completely rubbish. Just that there are two sides to this coin.
I believe in Israel willing to peace.
I believe in Hizbulla and Iran wish to destroy Israel. They say it whenever they can. I don’t think they lie.

Oh, ye – one more thing. Don’t you want to know what Samir Qauntar did?: - (wikipedia)
Attack into Israel from Southern Lebanon
On April 22, 1979, Samir Kuntar led a group of four who entered Israel from Lebanon by boat. They belonged to the organization PLF under the leadership of Abu Abbas. Around midnight they arrived at the coastal town of Nahariya about six miles south of the Lebanese border. The four killed a policeman who ran across them and were able to break into the apartment of the Haran family before police reinforcements had arrived. The unit took 28-year-old Danny Haran hostage along with his four-year-old daughter Einat. The mother, Smadar Haran, was able to hide in a crawl space above the bedroom with her two-year-old daughter Yael. Kuntar's group understood that there were more people in the house and went around looking for them, shooting rounds and throwing hand grenades.
Shootout and capture by Israel
After holding to the hostages, a shootout with Israeli policemen and soldiers erupted. Samir Kuntar shot and killed the father at close range in front of his daughter, and then murdered the four-year-old girl by smashing her head with the butt of his rifle against a rock, crushing her skull. Tragically, the two-year-old girl was accidentally suffocated to death, when her mother desperately tried to keep her quiet. A policeman and two of Samir Kuntar's unit were also killed. Kuntar and the fourth participant in the shootout were captured. The latter, Ahmed Abarrass, was freed by Israel in the 1986 Ahmed Jibril prisoner deal in return for three Israeli soldiers.

11:08 PM  
Blogger Carmel said...

tool - you see what's funny/sad for me in this story? that you talk EXACTLY like OUR extremists. i have heard this one a thousand times: the Palestinians don't really want peace and they keep sabotaging it.

the truth is extremists on both sides sabotage it and you're giving in to their views by believing what you wrote. non of us is made of the same colors, we should get both our people to the table and show the extremists this COULD happen. I'm sure they're just afraid to loose their worldview and they might just like it if we got it to work already. how about concentrating on THAT.

Anonymous - what's wrong with this guys points? that they're presented from a narrow perspective. i could give you an opposite one who'll be just as true and will waste both our times. you won't find a "more true" story because it's painted with the speaker's perspective. it's very hard to tell the difference between facts and narrations nowadays, especially when you get all your info from the media.

the facts are IDF soldiers are now on Lebanese soil shooting and Hezbollah tries to launch missiles on north of Israel. all else you'll say, all other words you choose will already be an interpretation which has a point but cant's hold the complexities of the big picture. Israel is constantly attacked, it basically wants peace - yes. Israel invaded Lebanon and many civilians were killed - also yes.

why do i have to choose a narrative when both are true? it's their context that we don't; agree on and it's hard to see who is more "right" when both are not innocent lambs and no one takes responsibility for his part. this is what we lack, not debate on facts that aren't really facts....

11:40 PM  
Anonymous tool said...

w00t!

12:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lilli--while your "research" is appreciated, do you really think you can find all the truth in facts in the wikepedia and online sources concerning Israeli action? do you really think this stuff is made public? Do you think Israel will admit to anything more or less? That is exactly Galloway's point and that is exactly what the media does not want to talk about. What about all the terror that Israeli soldiers have committed now and before? There is context to the current problem, and the west, incl Bush, incorrectly presumes that it was caused by HZ kidnapping's and some unsubstatiated ideology. HZ are a bunch of wacko-nut-jobs, but so is Israeli policy (which is worse for everyone--I think).

2:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey those wacko-nut-jobs are getting their money's worth aren't they? Not sure ask the IDF.

3:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was that guy drunk or just stupid, or maybe little of both. Don't worry about this UK, I have been to England and know that aside from a few crazies most people are not that stupid.

3:35 AM  
Anonymous just lili said...

well then anonymous, give me some facts. not stories. thats all. who are YOUR sources?

what Lebanies prisoners does the Israeli cuptures? I want names, and their crimes. (unless you think Samir Kuntar is a freedom fighter). give it to me in arabic from Hizbolla sites if you don't have any other source. - (oh ye.. who says they are to believe?)

Also - please let me know what you think about whats the Hezbollah's spokesperson had to say (If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.”), and what do you think should Israel do about it. (I'll move to Germany anytime by the way.. while I don't like the camps, I find germans very sexy).

4:18 AM  
Anonymous american 2 fed up with israel said...

Every word this guy said is 100% pure truth. What terrorists? All I see is Isreali constanly causing trouble and rulethless killing in the name of Israel. Why is Israel so much more special then Lebanon?

5:21 AM  
Anonymous lili (pot) said...

I just want to post this because I don't know if you get a chance to see it over there.

http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//954268

And also - when I watch all the reports... I don't know how can anyone stand this hell. it is horrible.

Peace.

5:45 AM  
Anonymous lili (pot) said...

I just want to post this because I'm not sure you get a chance to watch it there.

http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//954268

Also - when watching all those reports.. I don't know how can someone stand this hell. It is horrible.

Peace

5:47 AM  
Blogger * Claudia said...

I thought Hezbollah was a non govermental group? Mr. Galloway introduces the group as the "National Force" of lebanon... ?

Peace

Cody

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lilli, if people take the time to listen to the experiences of the palestinian people, then possibly some of the "truth" will become evident..why should we take the word of an Israeli over the word of a Palestinian? because one is friends with the US and holds a gun, and therefore must be right, and the other not? have all the other Lebanese prisoners committed the same crimes as Kuntar, who knows? The fact is that they exist --their families concede that they are missing and have not been heard of for years...but again, nobody listens, except HZ of course. As far as the HZ "spokesman", pro-palestinians all say the same thing..nothing new here..that is probably Iran talking as a proxy....I doubt, however, that it is their over-arching purpose for existence, but rather to protect their territory. As do many players in this asanine war, each side sees things in black and white (either all or nothing)..to achieve peace, this does not work this way.. Again, I dont support HZ's tactics and I certaintly do not support Israeli killing of civilians..

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lilli, if people take the time to listen to the experiences of the palestinian people, then possibly some of the "truth" will become evident..why should we take the word of an Israeli over the word of a Palestinian? because one is friends with the US and holds a gun, and therefore must be right, and the other not? have all the other Lebanese prisoners committed the same crimes as Kuntar, who knows? The fact is that they exist --their families concede that they are missing and have not been heard of for years...but again, nobody listens, except HZ of course. As far as the HZ "spokesman", pro-palestinians all say the same thing..nothing new here..that is probably Iran talking as a proxy....I doubt, however, that it is their over-arching purpose for existence, but rather to protect their territory. As do many players in this asanine war, each side sees things in black and white (either all or nothing)..to achieve peace, this does not work this way.. Again, I dont support HZ's tactics and I certaintly do not support Israeli killing of civilians..

8:00 PM  
Anonymous dror from israel said...

same subjet but more intresting people:

http://mahmood.tv/?p=2677
(read Johny)

i repeat what i wrote there:

the problem is with people like George Galloway that by spreading half
truths and lies they berry the true and important thing people in the
middle east should talk about.

I mean , Israel is not a saint, but saying that the couse of the war was
1- a small peace of lend that belong to Syria
2- thousand of prisoners that don’t exist (can someone find a source
to that ? and how come no one in Israel know about them? )

is giving a misleading picture. there are many flats in Israel both in
this war and in general. giving false accusations only make the
situation worse:

1- people in Israel say “the world is against us” - look how they buy
those lies
2- so if everyone against us we should do what it take to survive. and
we mean everything.
3- this line of thought is good for no one (except maybe Iran,
weapon corporations and so on)

3:43 PM  
Anonymous dror from israel said...

Anonymous said...
"The fact is that they exist --their families concede that they are missing and have not been heard of for years..."

well , the fact is that people with missing relatives want to belive evrething but the news that thay are probably dead.

1000 prisoners? - you need about 100 watch mans for them. and more people from the army and police and so come and go. you need a prison large ength to carry all those people and a palce to put it. (israel prisons are crouded as it is), and isarel is a crouded plcase - no miles and miles of woods to put a prison like that.

so all those israelis are keeping those 1000 prsioners in secreat? what for? do we have to much money to feed lebanes for nothing.

whay go back to 1982? whay not 1967? or 1947 ? or 1929? and so on.

fact is israel tryed to go to peace with arabs - by leaving lebanon and leaving gaza. arabs like HZ thought it is beacouse israel is weak. and they said so,

they are not intrested if israel is right or wrong. but if they have the strength to kill it and/ or get political power from fighting it.

about palestines: why , if they love them so, not a single arab country tried to help them rebuilt those camps? why israel with 2-3 million at the time could get the jews rfugies from 1948 and get them ont their feet but arab world with 300 milion pepole could't take care of palestnies refugies?

can it be that arabs didnt care about palestines? can it be that palestines suffer serve arab politics in balming isral , USA and the West in every thing thats wrong in the arab world?

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so if the prisoners are dead, then just tell us who killed them? who said they were 1000? if its just 1 or 10, why cant an exchange happen (as it has before)?

"about palestines: why , if they love them so, not a single arab country tried to help them rebuilt those camps?"---are you forgetting that each of those unhelpful Arab countries already have refugees to take care of on their own land, like lebanon, jordan, egypt and syria? you blame your neighbors for not helping the victims of your bullying?

Anyway, i am tired of these one-sided perspectives...i am not speaking about Israeli's but rather the gov't and its policies. not very insightful, dror from israel.

6:49 PM  

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