Monday, August 14, 2006

You are terrorists, we are virtuous

This article has just appeared in the London Review of Books. ISraelis should read it well. The rest of us are well aware of Israel's 'national psychosis... deriving from the over-identification with Israeli military thinking.'

So far ceasefire is holding.



You are terrorists, we are virtuous

Yitzhak Laor on the IDF

As soon as the facts of the Bint Jbeil ambush, which ended with relatively high Israeli casualties (eight soldiers died there), became public, the press and television in Israel began marginalising any opinion that was critical of the war. The media also fell back on the kitsch to which Israelis grow accustomed from childhood: the most menacing army in the region is described here as if it is David against an Arab Goliath. Yet the Jewish Goliath has sent Lebanon back 20 years, and Israelis themselves even further: we now appear to be a lynch-mob culture, glued to our televisions, incited by a premier whose ‘leadership’ is being launched and legitimised with rivers of fire and destruction on both sides of the border. Mass psychology works best when you can pinpoint an institution or a phenomenon with which large numbers of people identify. Israelis identify with the IDF, and even after the deaths of many Lebanese children in Qana, they think that stopping the war without scoring a definitive victory would amount to defeat. This logic reveals our national psychosis, and it derives from our over-identification with Israeli military thinking.

In the melodramatic barrage fired off by the press, the army is assigned the dual role of hero and victim. And the enemy? In Hebrew broadcasts the formulations are always the same: on the one hand ‘we’, ‘ours’, ‘us’; on the other, Nasrallah and Hizbullah. There aren’t, it seems, any Lebanese in this war. So who is dying under Israeli fire? Hizbullah. And if we ask about the Lebanese? The answer is always that Israel has no quarrel with Lebanon. It’s yet another illustration of our unilateralism, the thundering Israeli battle-cry for years: no matter what happens around us, we have the power and therefore we can enforce the logic. If only Israelis could see the damage that’s been done by all these years of unilateral thinking. But we cannot, because the army – which has always been the core of the state – determines the shape of our lives and the nature of our memories, and wars like this one erase everything we thought we knew, creating a new version of history with which we can only concur. If the army wins, its success becomes part of ‘our heritage’. Israelis have assimilated the logic and the language of the IDF – and in the process, they have lost their memories. Is there a better way to understand why we have never learned from history? We have never been a match for the army, whose memory – the official Israeli memory – is hammered into place at the centre of our culture by an intelligentsia in the service of the IDF and the state.

The IDF is the most powerful institution in Israeli society, and one which we are discouraged from criticising. Few have studied the dominant role it plays in the Israeli economy. Even while they are still serving, our generals become friendly with the US companies that sell arms to Israel; they then retire, loaded with money, and become corporate executives. The IDF is the biggest customer for everything and anything in Israel. In addition, our high-tech industries are staffed by a mixture of military and ex-military who work closely with the Western military complex. The current war is the first to become a branding opportunity for one of our largest mobile phone companies, which is using it to run a huge promotional campaign. Israel’s second biggest bank, Bank Leumi, used inserts in the three largest newspapers to distribute bumper stickers saying: ‘Israel is powerful.’ The military and the universities are intimately linked too, with joint research projects and an array of army scholarships.

There is no institution in Israel that can approach the army’s ability to disseminate images and news or to shape a national political class and an academic elite or to produce memory, history, value, wealth, desire. This is the way identification becomes entrenched: not through dictatorship or draconian legislation, but by virtue of the fact that the country’s most powerful institution gets its hands on every citizen at the age of 18. The majority of Israelis identify with the army and the army reciprocates by consolidating our identity, especially when it is – or we are – waging war.

The IDF didn’t play any role in either of the Gulf wars and may not play a part in Bush’s pending war in Iran, but it is on permanent alert for the real war that is always just round the corner. Meanwhile, it harasses Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, to very destructive effect. (In July it killed 176 Palestinians, most of them from the same area in Gaza, in a ‘policing’ operation that included the destruction of houses and infrastructure.) They shoot. They abduct. They use F-16s against refugee camps, tanks against shacks and huts. For years they have operated in this way against gangs and groups of armed youths and children, and they call it a war, a ‘just war’, vital for our existence. The power of the army to produce meanings, values, desire is perfectly illustrated by its handling of the Palestinians, but it would not be possible without the support of the left in Israel.

The mainstream left has never seriously tried to oppose the military. The notion that we had no alternative but to attack Lebanon and that we cannot stop until we have finished the job: these are army-sponsored truths, decided by the military and articulated by state intellectuals and commentators. So are most other descriptions of the war, such as the Tel Aviv academic Yossef Gorni’s statement in Haaretz, that ‘this is our second war of independence.’ The same sort of nonsense was written by the same kind of people when the 2000 intifada began. That was also a war about our right to exist, our ‘second 1948’. These descriptions would not have stood a chance if Zionist left intellectuals – solemn purveyors of the ‘morality of war’ – hadn’t endorsed them.

Military thinking has become our only thinking. The wish for superiority has become the need to have the upper hand in every aspect of relations with our neighbours. The Arabs must be crippled, socially and economically, and smashed militarily, and of course they must then appear to us in the degraded state to which we’ve reduced them. Our usual way of looking at them is borrowed from our intelligence corps, who ‘translate’ them and interpret them, but cannot recognise them as human beings. Israelis long ago ceased to be distressed by images of sobbing women in white scarves, searching for the remains of their homes in the rubble left by our soldiers. We think of them much as we think of chickens or cats. We turn away without much trouble and consider the real issue: the enemy. The Katyusha missiles that have been hitting the north of the country are launched without ‘discrimination’, and in this sense Hizbullah is guilty of a war crime, but the recent volleys of Katyushas were a response to the frenzied assault on Lebanon. To the large majority of Israelis, however, all the Katyushas prove is what a good and necessary thing we have done by destroying our neighbours again: the enemy is indeed dangerous, it’s just as well we went to war. The thinking becomes circular and the prophecies self-fulfilling. Israelis are fond of saying: ‘The Middle East is a jungle, where only might speaks.’ See Qana, and Gaza, or Beirut.

Defenders of Israel and its leaders can always argue that the US and Britain behave similarly in Iraq. (It is true that Olmert and his colleagues would not have acted so shamelessly if the US had not been behind them. Had Bush told them to hold their fire, they wouldn’t have dared to move a single tank.) But there is a major difference. The US and Britain went to war in Iraq without public opinion behind them. Israel went to war in Lebanon, after a border incident which it exploited in order to destroy a country, with the overwhelming support of Israelis, including the members of what the European press calls the ‘peace camp’.

Amos Oz, on 20 July, when the destruction of Lebanon was already well underway, wrote in the Evening Standard: ‘This time, Israel is not invading Lebanon. It is defending itself from a daily harassment and bombardment of dozens of our towns and villages by attempting to smash Hizbullah wherever it lurks.’ Nothing here is distinguishable from Israeli state pronouncements. David Grossman wrote in the Guardian, again on 20 July, as if he were unaware of any bombardment in Lebanon: ‘There is no justification for the large-scale violence that Hizbullah unleashed this week, from Lebanese territory, on dozens of peaceful Israeli villages, towns and cities. No country in the world could remain silent and abandon its citizens when its neighbour strikes without any provocation.’ We can bomb, but if they respond they are responsible for both their suffering and ours. And it’s important to remember that ‘our suffering’ is that of poor people in the north who cannot leave their homes easily or quickly. ‘Our suffering’ is not that of the decision-makers or their friends in the media. Oz also wrote that ‘there can be no moral equation between Hizbullah and Israel. Hizbullah is targeting Israeli civilians wherever they are, while Israel is targeting mostly Hizbullah.’ At that time more than 300 Lebanese had been killed and 600 had been injured. Oz went on: ‘The Israeli peace movement should support Israel’s attempt at self-defence, pure and simple, as long as this operation targets mostly Hizbullah and spares, as much as possible, the lives of Lebanese civilians (this is not always an easy task, as Hizbullah missile-launchers often use Lebanese civilians as human sandbags).’

The truth behind this is that Israel must always be allowed to do as it likes even if this involves scorching its supremacy into Arab bodies. This supremacy is beyond discussion and it is simple to the point of madness. We have the right to abduct. You don’t. We have the right to arrest. You don’t. You are terrorists. We are virtuous. We have sovereignty. You don’t. We can ruin you. You cannot ruin us, even when you retaliate, because we are tied to the most powerful nation on earth. We are angels of death.

The Lebanese will not remember everything about this war. How many atrocities can a person keep in mind, how much helplessness can he or she admit, how many massacres can people tell their children about, how many terrorised escapes from burning houses, without becoming a slave to memory? Should a child keep a leaflet written by the IDF in Arabic, in which he is told to leave his home before it’s bombed? I cannot urge my Lebanese friends to remember the crimes my state and its army have committed in Lebanon.

Israelis, however, have no right to forget. Too many people here supported the war. It wasn’t just the nationalist religious settlers. It’s always easy to blame the usual suspects for our misdemeanours: the scapegoating of religious fanatics has allowed us to ignore the role of the army and its advocates within the Zionist left. This time we have seen just how strongly the ‘moderates’ are wedded to immoderation, even though they knew, before it even started, that this would be a war against suburbs and crowded areas of cities, small towns and defenceless villages. The model was our army’s recent actions in Gaza: Israeli moderates found these perfectly acceptable.

It was a mistake for those of us who are unhappy with our country’s policies to breathe a sigh of relief after the army withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. We thought that the names of Sabra and Shatila would do all the memorial work that needed to be done and that they would stand, metonymically, for the crimes committed in Lebanon by Israel. But, with the withdrawal from Gaza, many Israelis who should be opposing this war started to think of Ariel Sharon, the genius of Sabra and Shatila, as a champion of peace. The logic of unilateralism – of which Sharon was the embodiment – had at last prevailed: Israelis are the only people who count in the Middle East; we are the only ones who deserve to live here.

This time we must try harder to remember. We must remember the crimes of Olmert, and of our minister of justice, Haim Ramon, who championed the destruction of Lebanese villages after the ambush at Bint Jbeil, and of the army chief of staff, Dan Halutz. Their names should be submitted to The Hague so they can be held accountable.

Elections are a wholly inadequate form of accountability in Israel: the people we kill and maim and ruin cannot vote here. If we let our memories slacken now, the machine-memory will reassert control and write history for us. It will glide into the vacuum created by our negligence, with the civilised voice of Amos Oz easing its path, and insert its own version. And suddenly we will not be able to explain what we know, even to our own children.

In Israel there is still no proper history of our acts in Lebanon. Israelis in the peace camp used to carry posters with the figure ‘680’ on them – the number of Israelis who died during the 1982 invasion. Six hundred and eighty Israeli soldiers. How many members of that once sizeable peace camp protested about the tens of thousands of Lebanese, Palestinian and Syrian casualties? Isn’t the failure of the peace camp a result of its inability to speak about the cheapness of Arab blood? General Udi Adam, one of the architects of the current war, has told Israelis that we shouldn’t count the dead. He meant this very seriously and Israelis should take him seriously. We should make it our business to count the dead in Lebanon and in Israel and, to the best of our abilities, to find out their names, all of them.

3 August

Yitzhak Laor lives in Tel Aviv.

145 Comments:

Anonymous Mr Sam said...

You guys can post what you want, say what makes you happy. Trust me the world doesn't care as much as you think.

On Friday when the peace speeches were being spoken how many America TV's were broadcasting it??? Anyone? C-span! I could find Baseball, Football. and the X-games but nothing on the Mid East. It was so laughable and shameful. Shameful that people are making this a big deal. It’s not; it will be forgotten soon enough. American Idol will get more interest than your suffering or destruction. Don’t believe me then let’s check tomorrow or when ever they start showing it again which gets more attention. We Americans only care about the Middles East in regards to its supply of oil and what are gas prices currently are. If it wasn’t for the oil we’d talk about your part of the world as much as we did about Antarctica and care less. So blast me as always for my stating the obvious. And to all of you in the Middle East, I see the number of people checking out these blogs. Sad that there are so few, and the ones who are talking to you are in such small numbers. Seriously, you can’t honestly believe that there are that many that really care do you, oh you do. That’s so sad. Here’s a tissue.

9:13 PM  
Blogger Peach said...

Sam..Do me a favor and stop talking to yourself. It really makes u look dumb. You continuously debate back and fourth with yourself. But i do have to thank you because you are keeping me amused. haha
Please don’t use "We" in any of your statements. I am an American I completely disagree with what your saying. - "We Americans only care about the Middles East in regards to its supply of oil and what are gas prices currently are."-
I don’t even see a point in arguing that. Keep the amusement coming Sammy boy! Can’t wait to laugh at your next comment. Try reading your own posts. Talk about being "laughable and shameful."

10:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great article by an Israeli, who knows and sees both sides.

Sam, we dont need you (or people like you) to care about us, only intelligent people who can contribute to dialogue and set an example for others to understand the truth. (its quite obvious, however, that you are interested with the other side, because you seem so obbessed with this website.)

if dont know already that your religion, your law schools, your math and even your alphabet origniated from the middle east, then you need to get a second education. so, read on my friend and learn that, without our history, yours would be non-existent.

10:31 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Sure everyone started their but some of our parents were smarter and moved away. thank God [A real God not the Mohammad Bomb making, terrorist breading nut job you people worship].

Um 99% of Americans are more worried about gas and that is cold hard fact. The people are merely secondary.

I stay here because unlike you people I’m not sticking to the sight that keeps the bullshit flowing. Notice I don’t respond to all of the blogs. Some are good, I would hate to have oil on my beaches. Well we have oil but only the oil were rubbing on our women to keep them nice and tan.

Still going no where so stop reading and or responding to me.

10:39 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Lilu and our other Israeli friends: Do not despair this honest, courageous appraisal. My friends were killed in 1965 to 1968 in our folly in Vietnam. A soldier in my command died in my lap as we waited the dustoff helicopter. I continued to believe we were right and that the United States Army was a force for peace and democracy. That we were badly misunderstood and that my honored duty was to serve my country as a professional warrior.

It IS an honorable profession and it is an honored duty to serve. But the Army in a democracy serves its civilian masters. Our purpose was perverted by the politics of the time. More important, it was perverted by the egos at the head of government. We thought we fought and some of us died or were terribly wounded for a "good" cause. But it was no cause at all, as we now know. It happens - a decision is made which appears soundly and properly based but then things go wrong. The egoist refuses to admit the problem or error and continues on the ill-chosen path. He's supported by others of like mind and equal ego as well as those timid souls who dare not challenge the chief.

That's what's happened with George Bush and, I think, what's happened with your PM. Who's to say in Israel "we did it wrong?" It began here in 1968 when students took to the streets in mobs shouting "1-2-3-4, we don't want your fuckin' war." And it continued through Nixon's resignation. Jimmy Carter was elected - not because he was a strong leader but because he was a "good man." And Americans wanted a "good man" at the top - someone with moral values and compassion and the ability to understand.

Now we have people like "Sam" - dirtbags with an agenda based on complete ignorance, blind bigotry and an inability to listen or learn. They froth at the mouth and make enough noise that people listen and begin believing their bigotry because they are afraid of something they don't understand. That leads to putting people like George Bush and Dick Cheney in power. Temporarily but long enough to do some real damage. I'm guessing that's also what has happened in Israel - to appear compassionate or understanding is to appear weak. And to suggest doing something for the "enemy" rather than only doing it TO him, is to seem foolish. But only to those who speak by frothing at the mouth.

With knowledgeable, articulate people like Yitshak Laor in your midst, at least a debate will begin. And that may lead to something like we experienced in the late '60s and early 70's. Don't let the bigots who simply froth at the mouth have so much to say about how the country will operate. As you've said, things must change - it is insanity to continue doing the same things while expecting a different outcome. Now is the time to start working that change.

10:39 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

WE didn't do so good in Nam becasue a large majority of the soldiers were high and fags. I'm sure your frind wanted to die, if you were near I would for sure. the reason for the war was right, the warriors were wrong. It took our generation to fix things. Pussies from 60 to 75, drugged up pot smoking losers. Once all of the Vets from your war are gone we'll have more honor.

Desert Strom was a better war, as always the Arabs died and gave up in such great numbers. The new ones are getting smarter. Don't firht the amry, hide and kill civilians.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HCB you thanks for your thoughts. They are always thought out and considered. Sam are you being paid to talk shit. Or are you just some sad case who spends his time trying to waste other people's time. Why I am even responding. Enough.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

I am paid, but not for this. This is for fun. I get my work done while chit chatting. Cool huh!

10:57 PM  
Blogger phishster said...

Sam I thought you got someone's email and was learning about the so called truth via email...what the hell are u doing back?

11:04 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

I was lied too, so I'm back.

11:13 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Spreading the same crap you guys spread.

11:13 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

And the e-mail was from mrtez but he didn't lie to me. An Arab did.

11:17 PM  
Blogger Peach said...

Thanks for keeping me amused sammy boy. At least you’re good for something!

11:31 PM  
Blogger Peach said...

By the way...dont assume everyone reading this is arab. I am american. Let me try to put this in simple terms for you...Your stupid! ...

11:33 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

The person who responded was/is you dumb ass. I know the difference but your to qucik to think I don't. So there are no Arabs in America? Who's the Stupid person, get a clue.

11:36 PM  
Blogger Peach said...

Here you go again Sammy boy. Why do you insist on attacking people. You really have bad temper you know that. It says alot about yourself and where you get all this hate from. And for your information I am not arab! Get a clue. Come on! Keep up sammy boy.

11:40 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Wow you can give it but like a Dem you go nuts when someone comes back at you. So what you do is not considered attacking, interesting now I see why you support terrorist and fanatics. Keep up the good work Pit. Were you one of the Nam losers too, the dissgrace to the Arm Services. What a waste of a body bag, they should have left most of them in the field.

11:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why are you guys responding to sam? he makes no sense and is clueless. just let him ramble on and let us use this forum for something more meaningful in conversation between the others. sam is like a mole who is annoying to look at, but is really harmless.. because power comes from knowledge--of which he has none.

dont respond to his attention-seeking bantor..he's from the OC, for God's sake. what the hell does he know.

11:50 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

I do know that the majority of the pople here are blind being led by the hopeless.

Each of you say it but I am seeing fewer posts and you're still responding. I'm not seeking attention, I'm only interested in ???????

Ya your right, the OC is a bad place. That's wh ywe make more money, have less crime and laugh at the Dems of the country. why me, oh pay me more becasue I am so needy. Bla Bla the oc is tops, great weather, beautiful wmoen, high paying jobs and so much more.

12:07 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

In a continuing demonstration of how warped the decision to attack was, our president spoke this afternoon. He does not say why the awful destruction and loss of life or what it accomplished. But he does show the insanity at the end. First, he says, there's a "state within a state," and then he says, "Hezbollah attacked Israel without any knowledge of the (Lebanese) Government. But he does not say why, therefore, so much suffering has been inflicted on the Lebanese people. For that, you really ought to read the Seymour Hersh article. Here's the end of Bush's statement declaring victory:

The president spoke at the State Department after conferring with his national security team, first at the Pentagon and then at the State Department. He was flanked by Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Bush said the U.N. cease-fire resolution adopted Friday was “an important step forward that will help bring an end to the violence.”

“Lebanon can’t be a strong democracy when there is a state within a state, and that’s Hezbollah,” Bush said.

“Hezbollah attacked Israel without any knowledge of the (Lebanese) government. Hezbollah attacked Israel. Hezbollah started the crisis, and Hezbollah suffered a defeat in this crisis,” the president said.

12:18 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

You know what. I am an idiot I totally admit to it. I have never read a book in my life. all my knowledge comes form CNN and Fox News and they ROCK!!! they tell the tale AS IS baby yeah!!!It's just that I kept looking for my tiny prick for so long that i kinda lost my eye sight and now i cnt read even if i wanted to. the good news is that i dont give a damn to get educated and find out about what's really happening in the world. All i wanna do is talk shit and rely on our media for the truth!! I suck (literally)

12:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
This is what makes people in the us mad and fuels the hate. We see this on foxnews.com and so many don't separate Hezbollah and the Lebanese. All that is remembered is the cries that the US should stop Israel and now there are declaring they won. A lot like sam are going to be yelling that we made a mistake and should of left Israel go and wipe them out. We all need to do more to let every one Know Hezbollah dose not speak for the Lebanese people
JERUSALEM The Middle East's fragile cease-fire, not yet a day old, was rattled Monday when Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah took to the airwaves to declare that his guerrillas had won a "strategic, historic victory" against Israel.
"We came out victorious in a war in which big Arab armies were defeated (before)," the bearded, black-turbaned radical cleric said.

12:22 AM  
Anonymous The real Sam said...

WOW HCB, let me see... you use my name and say things. I guess I hurt your feeling about how your pussy friend died in your amrs, 5 bucks say yout tried doing him once he died. I know it was you becasue again as always you're focused on my dick. Still the homo and still a pussy. At least your less of a flipper than I thought.

I read all of the time thanks but keep taking and using my name. It's cool, your just flattereing me again.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous Sam said...

What was the pussies name that died in your arms, what was his pet name to you. So that when my friends laugh about you and your gay story which is probably a lie anyway we can laugh with an edcuation on the real topics.

I don't like either of those news agencies but what ever.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

What does HCB stand for? I know chicken shit comes to mind but are you affraid to say your real name?

12:33 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

A good start, Kevin, would be for us to get an administration who would at least talk to the parties. That includes Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. But we refuse because we refuse generally to talk to our "enemies." We have gotten away with that arrogance until now because the perception of our power was such that people figured they have to worry. But I think Israel has just demonstrated - as we've been doing in Iraq - that air power doesn't do it. Bunker busting bombs don't do it. 30,000 troops on the ground don't do it. Maybe he's lying but it's worth trying - Nasrallah said if you want Hezbollah to disarm, the way to do it is not with tanks and warplanes. The way to do it is with negotiation. Hell - why not at least call his bluff if we don't believe it? He's saying it to the world so let's try it. If the worry is we don't know what he's likely to do in the negotiations, so what? The absolute worst that happens is we wasted a day or a week. Without bombs. And if it does nothing, it won't have done as much harm to our image as the bombs and destruction and misery we've caused have.

12:34 AM  
Anonymous lola said...

Seriously Sam, get a life!

12:36 AM  
Anonymous the really real sam said...

There's an imposter using my name. sam wannabe piss off. I do have a small dick, so don't start giving people the wrong impression! Do me a favor and stop using my name it's not fair.

I love my job so much. I get paid for doing nothing but sit on the net and comment on blogs. I hope they'll kep paying me when they find out. I'm so proud i even have a job i have to keep bringing it up over and over again. :-)

I suck (sometimes it's hard to talk)

12:38 AM  
Anonymous Sam said...

Seriously Lola, Suck me.

12:41 AM  
Anonymous really really real sam said...

Lola is that you pretending to be me because it's not funny. I'm gonna go back to my hole now.

STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!!

(I do suck though)

12:41 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Oh come on kids, can't we fight fair.

12:42 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

I do have a life... i have a job too :-) im so proud of myself. all these years in hickville high finally paid off

Lola, im sorry i dont know what's gotten into me

(I love Hasan)

12:43 AM  
Anonymous Lola said...

Well Sam I would but there is a line in front and behind me. I take it like a dog in the back and I suck anything that is put in front of me. So Sam you'll have to wait in long line. Sorry but being easy is the only way I know how to be.

Love Ya,
Lola

12:43 AM  
Anonymous lola said...

HCB, Kevin... I like reading what you guys write. Very Interesting to know that you "know" about what is going on. It is relieving. I guess you follow it well. I am sure you've realised i don't give my opinion on any of the posts, not because i don't know, but because i am not into politics. I know a lot about what is going on and even before it all happened. I haven't been in the mood to sit and debate as i have been tired. This has been one hell of a month. Also considering i had to leave. So imagine what my friends went thru. So reading that guys know as much as we do is a good sign.
What i do care about is my country. I love it. I am sure you will too if you ever come to Lebanon.

12:44 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

I could never love a person with any arab name, Good God shot me first. Why go back in animalism, I like humans.

12:45 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Lola, how many guys have tagged teamed you recently? Are you a terrorist whore? Is that how you make money? Bitches for Bombs.

12:46 AM  
Anonymous lola said...

I did not right comment 12:43am
But whoever did, you're too funny.

12:46 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

I agree, it was very cleaver. Kind of a pussy way but then again that's the Muslim way. You all may not be one but your learning fast.

Next you be building bombs too.

12:48 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Again it's strang that you didn't write it but the style is very Lola. Again an another terrorist conextion. Lie. Muslims lovers to the end. I wish I could but they all lie and want me the Christian to die. How fitting

12:52 AM  
Blogger lola said...

I would never say "love ya" coz i certainly don't.

12:55 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Well you do love to hate, but thats okay I have enough F buddies, who needs a worn out whore too.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Well you do love to hate, but thats okay I have enough F buddies, who needs a worn out whore too.

12:57 AM  
Blogger lola said...

I pity Ya, tho.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

I figured on eht faggots on this page would defend you but nope. HCB is pussy to the end. I bet his friends died in Nam becasue HCB was to busy running for cover to help them. Or he got so scared that he wet himnself and the accidently shot his own friend.

12:59 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

You're good Lola - I can only imagine the past month. I keep up with what's going on there now because this blog has put it on a personal level. It's one thing to read about it but it's another to talk with people as they are going through it. I'm sure Kevin and Rick and others know what I mean. And I don't want to leave Lilu and Carmel out of that idea - it's devastating on the one hand to talk to people on opposite sides of the border while these things are happening. but it's a wonder also. It's human beings on both sides with fears and emotions and joys and depressions. It used to be that royal families would marry into each other - the idea being one sovereign wouldn't attack another if his daughter were married to the other's son. I think the same can be said if there are enough friends in different countries.

Is there a place you can go now for a beer and something good to eat?

1:00 AM  
Blogger Peach said...

hahaha..keep it up sammy boy. U make yourself look stupider with every post. Come on...what else do you have??? Im in the mood to laugh some more.

1:02 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Come on Hcb, where are all of those snappy come backs. I know your not that big, I know I'm testing you. Your blood is boiling at how I am bagging on your deid friends. the ahte coming from me is your fault. So keep writing like I'm not here, I won;t be going anywhere and your still a fag and coward.

1:03 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Peach, I am having a blast. Who cares what any of you say. What ever but I'm here for good. I love venting my crap here. Where better than on you people.

1:05 AM  
Blogger lola said...

Everyone one is out tonight. Drinking and eating. We have the best cuisine.
My boyfriend is out right now in Beirut. I am so pissed off i am not with him.

1:07 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

See you guys can bitch, whine and complain but nothing will change. thats the best part, you're life will still suck and you'll hate the USA. Lest all talk on the 23 when Iran doesn't comply..... there goes the cease fire, then we'll have a WWIII. Finally the war to take over the middle east.

1:08 AM  
Blogger Peach said...

Sammy boy..where do you come up with this filthy language ? Did your mommy teach it to you?
You just made my day ! Thanks sammy boy for giving me something/someone to laugh at every time I turn on the computer.
Downside to all this...You make me ashamed to say that im american. Baddddd Sammy! Badddd!

1:11 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Maybe he'll find someone better.

It must not have been as bad as you people cried every day. If are places to go and good times to be had it was all loes from the Leb properganda machine. Maybe then your honor will be defended until then the Pussies in the States that are your friends sure won't do it.

1:12 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

I worry to ask but, why aren't you? There's a lot bad but there's nothing to be done about it right now and even less is accomplished by talking about it. Tell me the name of a place and I'll call it (if the phone works) and buy you both a drink. k? If he's out getting drunk, well - some other night. But Lola - one war this week is enough. Don't start another one. :)

1:13 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Be ashammed, I am ashamed that your an american too.

We do see eye to eye than. you and the rest are a disgrace to the colors.

1:13 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Hcb You pussy.....

1:13 AM  
Blogger Peach said...

hahahahahahahahaha. Sammy boy is funny. Once again, did your mommy teach you these cute little come backs? Or is it just that your insecure about other things and like to draw the attention away from yourself? hmmm..well which is it sammy boy? hahahahaha

1:17 AM  
Blogger lola said...

I am not in Lebanon at the moment. Or else i would deff be out. But i am going back and i can't wait.
Phones work, HCB.
And yes, do drop by, we'll show you a good time :)

1:18 AM  
Blogger lola said...

Peach... he is funny, isn't he?
Cracks me up BIG TIME

1:22 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Oh my God, my mum would kill me if she heard me talking like this to women. But then again, no worries. She lives in Hawaii so who’s the wiser.

I know that your guys are doing your best but I figure after being called names for a week when I said nothing like that to you people that I’m over due. I learned it From Lola, Lili, HCB, Rick and a few anon’s too. So I built it ups and decided that today was good day to let go. Tomorrow I will return to my normal responses and not attack anyone. Well maybe HCB, he’s just to much of a pussy, he can deal it but wow he can’t take it. Well his mom does take in the ass by every truck driving black man out there. She’s all women with a wide open back door.

1:22 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Hey Lola, if your here we should hook up. Then we can be friends, well maybe just f-friends.

Maybe Peach can join in too. HCB can just watch and look at my dick, he talks about it enough.

No touching HCB, I'm not a fag like you.

1:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope this cease fire holds, and we find an absolute end to the decades old fighting there so that we can say these lives lost were not in vain.

I am a guy in Ohio U.S.A., and I wasn't even born in 1967 when the U.N. resolution called for Israel to leave. At 32 years old, the hostage situation, and civil war were before I was old enough to care too much about anything far from my immediate surroundings, and in my adult life, I heard little about Lebanon in the news....which it turns out was a good thing for Lebabnon because things were going pretty well it seems.

I want the owners of this blog to know I tried my very best to shake off anti-U.S. comments whether true or false in my mind, and that I read everything here and elsewhere with an open mind seeking only the truth amid many opinions, statistic spewing, and the regurgitated twisted facts all over the web.

With all that said, after hours of research daily during the entire affair, I have, with the help of this blog and other sources, come to the ultimate conclusion that Israel....is in fact, guilty of war crimes against Lebanon. I also now believe that the occupation of Southern Lebanon was an illegal act that was ignored and somehow swept under the international carpet for years.

Although I now realize why Hezbollah exists, my opinion that their act of killing and kidnapping was NOT justified still stands, and I also still hold the opinion Lebanon will be better off without the military wing of Hezbollah from this day forth.

I thank you for your time and the excellent articles you have written.

1:26 AM  
Blogger Peach said...

Well I hate to leave you Sammy poop but I must get back to my important life...unlike yours. In the meantime keep the comments rolling because I would love to be amused once again. Lol you funny little poop you.
And by the way...I came to the conclusion that you have no friends. Is someone lonely = (
No Worries. I will be back U little poop you. hahaha

Lola...I’m glad he amuses you too. That’s what he's here for. That’s his purpose in life. hahaha

1:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our idiot president declared victory for him and the war. what an idiot, when we cant see what just happened in front of him...

1-The Lebanese people were and continue to suffer.
2-The economic stability of Lebanon and the gov't is torn to shreds.
3-In Lebanon, HZ was strengthened in moral support and else where in the Middle East, which may be far stronger than military disarmement.
4-The Americans and Israelis are hated even more worldwide (even in Israel, USA and Europe, I might add).
5-HZ will not step down, never and ever.
6-Israeli gov't declared the war a failure.

Great victory, Mr. George Bush, idiot.

1:29 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

It's okay peach, I sure you have to go get milked or something close. Make sure leave your money on the dresser.

1:40 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Well by kids, take care and at least you can get abett nights sleep now that the horrible Devil stopped bombing.

1:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
Anonymous 1:26am : I think there lies the problem the US has with the middle east. When I was in school the only thing we learned about the middle east was were it was ( the middle east ) no history on information on the culture so no understanding. I have found that the rest of the world knows more about us than we know about them ( probably why they say we are self centered ) we need to see are kids don't grow up like us. I did not start learning about the middle east till we invaded Iraq. My kids are going to learn!!!

2:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon Ohio

Kevin, in some ways ignorance is bliss though. I can't complain too much about the fact I didn't have to really think about the middle east growing up...or any world politics too much....as a kid, I had the luxury of being a kid.

As a teen we had the whole nuke thing going on with Reagan, and I actually had so much faith in my elders at that time that I worried about zits, finding a girlfriend, hating leg warmers and too much neon, learning I suck at skateboarding, trying to get a car, and truthfully never worried or thought too much about the fact nukes were so close and pointed at us ...

When Reagan would come on and interupt programs, I would change the channel because I never felt I was in danger....I wish this safe feeling on everyone in the world. Kids shouldn't have to think about this stuff if the adults are taking care of it for them.

3:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From NY USA
I did not mean I i'm going to teach them the troubles of the world but the good and the history and the culture

3:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you mean less about politics and more about culture, I can agree there....I learned absolutely nothing about world cultures in school....I probably learned more about Eskimos than the people of the middle east.

3:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
Good night to all. and I hope are friends in Lebanon can get a Good Night sleep

3:58 AM  
Blogger Rick said...

anon Ohio...thanks for your comments, and for using your critical thinking skills.

Others here could learn from you. It's fine to have an opinion, and another to be open to being educated. What took place in Lebanon, not just now but for the better part of three decades, is deplorable. The fact that the United States as official policy accepts this slaughter, and in fact helped plan it, is nothing less than criminal.

But you are quite right to point out that Hezbollah is guilty as well. The only innocents in this conflict are the civilians on either side of the border being killed. I pray that the cease fire holds, and I pray that sanity comes to this situation.

4:09 AM  
Anonymous i care said...

I can sleep better tonite knowing their is an Isreali looking in the mirror. May peace be with the Lebanese tonite. May they hold dignity in their souls. Please let their spirits raise Lebanon again. And may the world stand for the Palestinians and Iraqis just as strongly to put the nonsense of war and humiliation to rest.

8:31 AM  
Blogger stellar15 said...

I am an American living in Pittsburgh, PA... USA

I think Yitzhak hits in right on here. What he said was exactly what I have been trying to explain to my 'American Idiot' friends for a month now.

This is... how we blindly support a country that is reckless. That has stooped, now, to the level of a common terrorist.

It was very refreshing... vindicating to a point... to hear an Israeli tell it like it is.

To all in Lebanon... or Israel... my prayers are with you all... no matter what religion you are.

Chris

8:54 AM  
Blogger daooch said...

"Meanwhile, it harasses Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, to very destructive effect."

As true as this is, what about the harassment that Isreal has endured? This despite recently giving up two parcels of land back to the Palestinians and Lebanon, right? Isreal actually caved in just a little bit yet the "harassment" it received from the two fronts didn't really stop, right?

Seems to me that Isreal tried politics and Hizbullah/Gaza just gave it a reason to use military force instad, whether it was pre-planned or not(of course it was pre-planned - you think the US doesn't have a plan to invade half the countries in the Middle East?! You think China and North Korea doesn't have a plan to take out Hawaii and our Pacific seaboard?! Doesn't mean they'd actually do it! It's called being prepared)

8:56 AM  
Anonymous ck said...

Sam...for a guy who thinks the middle east issue is depasse (look it up) and a waste of TV time...What the hell are u doing blogging on a beiruti site...dont u have anything better to do??? Just get off this site cos u seem to be such a sore loser! One hting that u did say that is TRUE...USA is only interested in the Middle East for its OIL...THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT ...IF U JUST REALIZED IT....

A piece of advice...I'd start watching Sesame Street...cos ur brain needs some developing obviously..

9:09 AM  
Anonymous ck said...

You know what by people actually replying to this loser sam...u're actually giving him value...so I wouldnt even bother writing back...the best thing is to ignore him...he's getting to much attention...and it's actually going to his head!

9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Asia

GBush, Blair and Olmert are unfit to become a leader. They planned and organized the massacred of innocent civilians, women and children from both side of the countries. GBush and Blair are enjoying witnessing the massacred and destruction of Lebanon and Israel infrastructures. GBush, Blair and the cronies will take the opportunities to make money to build up Lebanon and Israel.

US Revenue

US Billion of dollars made from the selling of weapons to Israel

The Victims

The soldiers, innocent civilians, women and children

Note: The monkeys were elected to become the leaders to govern the countries.
Madness

11:42 AM  
Blogger Sarmad said...

Many people were surprised by the speed and ferocity of the Israeli response to what seemed to be a limited operation by Hizballah: Kidnapping two Israeli soldiers to use as bargaining chips in exchange for Lebanese prisoners held in Israel.

Hizballah has tried this tactic successfully in the past. But this time the response was swift and completely over the top.

Many people here felt that this was planned. Within a day the Israelis had systematically destroyed strategic bridges, roads, airport runways, port radars, etc... This didn't look like a war cabinet taking a look at the circumstances, weighing their options, giving an ultimatum for the return of their soldiers, or negotiating. This looked more like they knew exactly what they wanted to do and they were just waiting for an excuse to do it.

Now there are leaks from the media to support this theory. Of course this will be denied, since this would be a conspiracy, and of course the Israeli and the American governments never conspire against the Arabs, right?

Take a look at this link: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

Here's another article: http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2006/07/4769.shtml.

No matter what your opinion is of Hizballah, there is no denying that their popularity in Lebanon has risen after their perceived victory in this war. Even if they had lost the war, the fact that they stood up to the might of the IDF for 34 days was an achievement in itself.

Many people already had a grudging respect and maybe a secret admiration for Hizballah and their leader for their discipline and organization. They had their own social service system, their own medical care system, their own charity system, their own schooling system. They took care of their people, some would say better than the Lebanese government took care of the rest of the population.

However, during the war we heard much from the Israelis and Bush’s neocons about the indiscriminate shooting of rockets from Hizballah. But was it really indiscriminate shooting?

Take a look at this article: http://www.counterpunch.org/cook08092006.html.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "act of war" against Israel was NOY hezbollah killing those soldiers, the act of war against Israel was Lebanon not stopping them.

Hezbollah is not an official entity and can not declare war OR commit an act of war....hezbollah are civilians, and what they did was murder...allowing it to go unpunished and undetered was the act of war by Lebanon against Israel.

Therefore, Lebanon paid the price.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 2.53

holang kan..na...
double standard

3:00 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Was it also an act of war for Iran and Syria to encourage and supply Hezbollah?

3:17 PM  
Blogger Bash said...

Listen "sam" you dumb racist little piece of shit. I bet your overblown ego on this "forum" can't even compare to the diminutive, nerdy, and fucking smelly piplefaced red neck hick that your are. You just got real personal here, and you better watch who you call a whore, cause i'll track you down and and show the whole world who the real whore is, the sorry excuse for a woman that brought you into a world you don't even deserve to be in.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous hmmm said...

Is it an act of war for the US to supply arms and aid to Israel?

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes it is, just like how they say it is an act of war that Hezbollah is being sponsored by Iran and Syria.
Those are the only words that came out of George Dubya Bush's mouth in the whole conflict.

4:15 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Agreed - it was most definitey an act of war for the US to supply arms, materiel and money. The question remains - was it an act of war for Iran to supply Hezbollah?

4:22 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Bash, I have to apologize for my yappy little dog, Sammy the wet fart. He's been doing all he can to get my attention for days now - name calling, desecration of dead soldiers - even George Bush, the man he calls his hero, would not put up with his talk about dead soldiers. But that's the problem with little yappy dogs, they have no idea even that they've become boring. Little Sammy the wet fart just froths at the mouth and yaps - hoping so badly that I will notice him. He calls women filthy names knowing I would not permit that if he were not safely hidden. He giggles and drools as he pounds out misspellings, malapros and drivel. He's boring but he doesn't even know it. So, Sammy the wet fart yappy little dog, here' the deal - if you want my attention, you address me properly. My name, for you, is not "HCB" - it is "Master." When you want attention, you say, "Master, please permit your little yappy dog, Sammy the Wet Fart to politely address you and your friends." And then tuck your little, tiny dick between your legs, look at the floor and wait. If I'm of a mind to listen to your mindless prattle, I'll tell you. But if you open your filthy little mouth before I give you permission, you will be ignored. And that, Sammy the wet fart, is the worst fate you can imagine, isn't it? A prattling, filthy mouthed little squirt of stinky pee just sitting there evaporating until even the smell is gone. What worse fate could there be for a piece of grunge like you? No one cares and now you have only you to listen to you. And suddenly, even you are bored by your prattling gibberish - even you can't stand to be around you. And you just disappear. Like Sammy Oshitface. Sammy who? You don't remember him? And in a week, that's what everyone will be saying about Sammy the Wet Fart.

Remember, Sammy the wet fart yappy little dog - address your master properly and he might take notice and toss something your way. Otherwise, go in the corner and masturbate. And make as much noise and yap as long as you like. No one cares, no one will talk to you and no one will even notice you are around.

4:34 PM  
Blogger lola said...

hahahahaha HCB, i like you.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your reaching too far too prove a point..

Simply selling arms to civilians should be illegal in my opinion as far as automatic weapons, and anything over a certain caliber (my opinion only), but NO, it is NOT in itself an act of war...each country decides what weapons are legal for sale to civilians, and why this would be in itself an act of war is beyond me. Even if the weapons sold or given to hezbollah were illegal by Lebanon law, this is a legal matter ...NOT an act of war.

If it were proven beyond doubt the weapons were supplied for the sole purpose of attacking Israel, and proven Hezbollah did attack on the command of Iran, then yes, this could be considered an act of war....

5:27 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

I ask because, among other things, the following quote from the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee" website:

“What can you do to help Israel?”
One of the best ways to help Israel right now is to ensure that the United States stands by her side. Let’s face it—without America, Israel is completely alone, and we cannot take America’s support for granted.
AIPAC is the one organization charged with ensuring that the U.S.-Israel alliance remains steadfast—especially at times like these."

It seems pretty clear Israel could not have conducted this "war" without America's support. That support, of course, was far more than simply moral. I suppose it couldn't be proven beyond doubt the weapons America supplied Israel were for the sole purpose of attacking Lebanon, but is that really the test? America condemns - properly - North Korea and Iran for their nuclear weapons intentions because they may be sold or given to "terrorists." How in the world is a contention like that "proven beyond doubt?" And the argument that the US and Israel have nuclear weapons so why shouldn't Iran and North Korea is a non sequitur. But a non sequitur that I won't try to illustrate now.

What is the point of denying Iran's and Syria's aid and support to Hezbollah was not an act of war? What is the point of requiring "proof" that Hezbollah "did attack on the command of Iran?" Do you have any serious doubts that Iran supplied Hezbollah its rockets? That Iran hasn't been helping Hezbollah prepare for this "war" for years?

That's the trouble in this whole thing - all the bombing and destruction and lost lives and misery. For what? To decide the "legal matter" surrounding who the real antagonists are? Withoug any regard whatsoever to the country's laws about what is legal to sell and what is legal to buy, it is an act of war - purely and simply - to provide the means to conduct the war. In US law, the person providing the ability is, at the least, a conspirator and is fully responsible for the outcome - whether or not he participated in the overt acts of the conspiracy.

The US is as responsible - more responsible, I think - for the massive destruction and misery visited on Lebanon. Likewise, Iran and Syria are as responsible - more responsible, I think - for the terrorism visited on Israel by Hezbollah and, probably, Palestinians. There can be no serious disagreement in that regard - we can play word games and talk around it but the fact of the matter is that it is not simply a conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

Until, however, we are willing to identify the parties and the real issues, then the fear mongers and war mongers will continue their word games and destructive attacks. On both sides.

5:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HCB said " In US law, the person providing the ability is, at the least, a conspirator and is fully responsible for the outcome - whether or not he participated in the overt acts of the conspiracy."

Not true, for instance it was decided that the girl who bought some guns for the boys in the Columbine school shootings did not know what they would do with them, and therefore was not implicated.

Nor is a normal U.S. gun dealer held accountable for killings done with his product although he did provide the "ability".

6:10 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Anonymous - the cases you cite are not on point. "Intent" was the key in those cases. You're correct that a "normal" US Gun dealer is not accountable for killings by gunfire. But review some of the "Saturday Night Special" gun cases and I think you'll find a different outcome. And, I don't think you will disagree that if the dealer is not a "normal" dealer but one who deals "Saturday Night Specials" to known gang members, for instance, the outcome will be different. And, as a final point in domestic law, if an adult leaves a gun ANYwhere that a child can get it and the child accidentally or intentionally hurts someone with it, the adult is fully liable. There is no defense available, even, that the adult thought the gun was safely hidden. The child got it, the child used it and that is the end of the story for the adult.

However - those domestic cases really are not on point to determining the issue here. More appropriate are the US laws regarding arms dealers. Try buying some M-16s and selling them to, for example, Cuba. Even better - put the word out on the street that you'd like to buy a case of M-16s because you are simply thinking of selling them to somebody in Venezuela. Or Cuba. Or Haiti. Big Bro will be all over you like white on rice. Quickly. And - if one of the M-16s in your trunk shows up at a crime scene? Big trouble. Very big. Even if you were in Hawaii at the time.

6:23 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

And to bad your not there HCB, on the recieving end of a bomb. It's easy to cry when your protected by the same ppole you denounce. What a turn coat pussy!

6:24 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Sorry Bash, did you say something. More threats from a terrorist... To funny. If you were a man you would have fought for your country instead of letting some Iranians do it for you. Go back to your bomb shelter and hide like a little scared girl.

Here's a tissue.

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

U.S. laws do not apply to Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, or any country other than the U.S., and I can't debate the laws of other countries anyway...because I quite honestly don't know the laws there.

6:32 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Oh Bash, is that any way to act. More threats you little bomb making terrorist. Is your towel tied to tight? Go back to your bomb shelter and sit with the children. Wait I just heard your master calling, go see President Tom and suck on him awhile. When you have the balls to be a man an make threats that are doable I’ll listen. Until then your just another sad Muslim radical needing a tissue.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, in those child cases, the issue is negligence not guns or intent, and it applies to many things other than guns if a child dies and you are at fault.

If a child falls off a cliff because you wanted a cute picture of a baby at the grand canyon, you could face the same charges as if you let them find your gun and die....that is negligence, and has little to do directly with weapons.

Aside from the fact I couldn't afford a 10,000 dollar M-16, automatic weapons are ILLEGAL here, so I would assume I would be in trouble if caught.

6:38 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

I agree, Anonymous 6:32. US laws don't apply there - but they DO apply here.

Forget the US law. Don't worry, even, about Internatiional Laws or treaties or conventions. I don't mean that to be demeaning. I mean to simply ignore whatEVER might be the law and think as a person. The UN and NATO and the UK and US and Israel and Iran and Iraq - all the belligerents - talk and talk and talk. Not because they are bad people but because they don't know what else to do. But all the talking leads only to more talking. And then the talkers lose credibility and waffle in their decisions in the attempt to please everyone.

At some point - if there is ever to be an end to the insanity - people must identify who is who and what is wrong. And then, at least, talk about it with everyone involved. We can't continue to say we will not talk to our "enemies" because we don't talk to "terrorists" or "criminals." We MUST talk or we must try to kill everyone who disagrees. But we're not even to the point of deciding who to talk with much less what to talk about.

I don't mean to demean you or the law or any people. But I DO mean to say there is too much talk about too many things that simply are not important. The Lebanese people have suffered enormously simply because they were caught in a situation not of their making and not in their control. They were bombed as an object lesson by the US and Israel. There was no serious concern that Hezbollah might be resupplied by air and, therefore, the airport had to be destroyed. The US wanted to try out its weapons while it demonstrated to Iran. Lebanon was a convenient platform for that demonstration. But, had the US and Israel identified who they REALLY think is the problem then they could not possibly have justified what they did. Likewise with Iran - it sacrificed its supporters in southern Iran and participated directly in the destruction and misery of all Lebanon. Simply so it could make its point that it hates Israel and wants to see it destroyed. Thus, the belligerents really were the US, Israel and Iran. But they used the unfortunate people of Lebanon as the set piece for their belligerence. And that is a war crime of the first magnitude.

6:50 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Oh well - I see it was really just little yaps coming from under little rocks. Got tricked, folks. But - what the hey ....

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wa lan eh... retarded sam with same old story

Haha... feel, you need to go for mental check up. You live in a small world (cubicle) although US is a big country, but you don't look like one. Probably, some of the resistor or rather components corroded in your brain. Get the surgeon to replace those rusty components in your brain.

It's a joke, as an American knew about US and Israel politics only. Asian people cover politics through out the continents regardless of culture and religion. Disgraceful to Bush, US government your fellow Americans.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:27-6:38 anons were me....I might think of a name because this could be confusing.

All in all, you can't really believe you are privy to all the information the governments have? "talk talk talk" yes, it is a blog, and I came to talk :)

6:59 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

I'm sorry - you misunderstood me, Anon 6:59. This IS a blog and it IS intended for talk. I meant that the security counsel, for instance, talks a lot but does not seem to have much to back it with. governments talk but then act foolishly. And - no, of course I'm not privy to all information. But neither are most people. I am persuaded by what I see and hear. And, I think, so are most people. If we're wrong, then it's the people who ARE privy to all that information who should set us right. In the meantime, I think the parties must be identified and then the issues must be identified and then the conversation about what to do can begin. At the highest levels of government, I mean. Not here in this blog. All we can do is talk and, hopefully, try to understand.

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty much all governments are corrupt garbage in my opinion, and I don't know what happens to these people when they get elected. They go mad with power and money and lose their minds.

Doesn't a single one of them dream of being a champion of the people, to avoid corruption and greed.....to find themselves in history books untainted and admired?

7:16 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Don't let cynicism take control of you, Anon. That's the frustration that leads to "terrorism" and "invasion." "Government" is "us." In all cases, it is the governed who enable the government - even in the most totalitarian states. The Israeli and US Governments trade in fear. And there's just enough truth in what they say to make it effective. But they never talk about hope - other than they hope they'll "win" the "war on terrorism." It's no different with Hezbollah and Hamas - they trade in fear and revenge. they convince the people there is no hope in this life and that it is a far better thing to die while killing Israelis and go be a martyr.

The Israelis give credence to the Hezbollah fear and war mongers by doing that which the mongers say they will do. And the Hezbollah and Hamas mongers give credence to the Israeli fears by blowing themselves up at random in shops and restaurants. And firing rockets at random into residential areas.

But look what can happen if people just talk - as on this blog. If we had just one airplane, we - of different nations and persuasions - would be having beer and brats or wine and lasagna or whatever at a restaurant in Beirut and then in Tel Aviv and then in Washington, DC. And we'd enjoy it because we wouldn't be accusing each other of some evil doing.

But cynicism makes friendship impossible. It's already hard enough with the long time hatreds and blood lust that's in the souls of so many. But an Israeli would pick up and care for an injured child without wondering about its parents. Likewise, a Palestinian or Lebanese or Iranian would pick up and care for an injured child without worrying about its political heritage. The adults of the area have to be able to get to the point of caring about each other more than caring about settling old scores. That is done through the joy of living - not the despair of cynicism.

Yes - I know I am childishly naieve. Tell me a better solution.

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
One point is if a gun dealer sells a gun to an adult and that adult goes out and kills someone the gun dealer is not responsible. But if that same gun dealer sells the same gun to a know killer then he can be held responsible . If Iran was selling arm to the league government of Lebanon and not Hezbollah then we would not be having this debate for a cup el reasons. First the war would not have happened because Lebanon would have been able to disarm Hezbollah and the war would not have happen.

7:51 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

Dear Mr. Sam

Stop pretending you are representative of America. You aren't. If YOU don't care about the Middle East, it's your business, but don't speak for the other 2 billion people that live here. God help us all if people like you represent us....oh I forgot about Bush, people like you do represent us.

As for your assertion that you do't care, your very presence here calls that statement into question. So....if you don't care, why are you here?

8:05 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Julie - the little yappy dog is sitting in the corner masturbating and yapping. If you don't listen, the noise just goes to the background and you won't even notice it after a little while.

8:12 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

Kevin

What could have ruined the fragile peace was the Isareli soldiers shooting three Hizbasllah fighters the day the cease fire tarted. First reports were that the Hixballah, armed with rifles, were coming toward the Isareli army (reminds you of the Palestinian teenagers throwing rocks at tanks doesn' it?) and they felt threatened (translate, got scared) and fired killing one.

Later report was the Hizballah fighters fired shots so they took them out. Olmert is quoted in one paper as taking responsibility for the "offensive" incident. Later, others in the Isareli media machine condemned Hizballah....

So you see, unless SOMEONE gets to the border, the onlt thing that will destroy the paece, is the lies and cover ups of those who destroy it.

I think the Isareli soldiers aer very brave when they are 30,000 feeet up bombing targets on a video game screen, but put them on the ground with an actual armed group and they crumble in fear.

Our soldiers don't. I think the war in Iraq is fundamentally wrong, but at least our soldiers don't cower in fear like the Israelis.

The only reason they stopped the war is because it isn't worth fighting once their guys start dying.....Hizballah isn't worth a drop of Israeli blood.

8:19 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

What noise?

8:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Becasue before i hated the DEms and Islam for the wrong reasons. Now listening to the bleeding heart crap I have a better foundation. And I just have to be close to HCB, I an filling the void left by his dead friend. I bet he look into your eye's as he died and said. HCB your such a pussy for leaving me behind to get hurt.

Oh ya this morning I did rub one out. My girl friend is back east and I saw this cutie last night. why not, it was there and I was needing to release.

8:21 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Julie what about the rockets that the terrorist fired into southern Leb? State all of the facts not just the ones that suit your lies and properganda.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Ps that wasn't anon, it was me Julie, Rick and HCB

8:23 PM  
Blogger lola said...

Who is sam?

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin from USA
Julie don't get me wrong what Isareli did is wrong and the us should not stand behind them like they do. I was pointing out the diffrence between the US and Iran.

8:26 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Lola, well haven't you called me a twat 3 or 4 times now? Or did you forget?

8:29 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

That's the spirit, lola!

8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hezbollah also fired Russian made rockets....

8:35 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

The Russians and the French are the same, sluts to the terrorists.

8:36 PM  
Blogger lola said...

No i never called you a twat. What i did tell you is that you live in your own bubble, you are not educated, you only listen to what people tell you coz you don't have time to read... i know this ESPN business is taking over your life. An education will cost you shit loads, you'd rather spend that money on drugs and booze. And if you do go back to school, i pity your teachers coz the only question you will keep on asking them is "why?" "but why?"... just like a 6 year old.

8:36 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Well I have never, NEVER done drugs but drinking. WEll we live on the beach dusing the summer, it's party time all the time. I'm sure you have never had a drop but it's easy for you to lie. You're a woman so us guys are used to it when it comes to women like you. Oh I do ask why, I'm not a dem that just accepts what is said as the truth. You don't ask why, you just say okay.

8:41 PM  
Anonymous sam said...

Lola if you didn't call me that then sorry. I need to go back and see which female did. I hate attacking the innocent.

Before any of you chime in, you're not innocent. You're supporting the growth and proliferation of terrorism and anti American sediment around the world. You’re the ones feeding the fire of decent against the US. You’re the ones that are scum, as are the terrorists.

8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
Can some one explain to me what is meant when I read and article that the interview was done in “In Occupied Jerusalem”? I thought Jerusalem was in the jewish state and has been the home of the jewish scene the bronze age?

9:04 PM  
Blogger lola said...

Kevin, "Occupied Jerusalem" is former Palestine. The Palestinians were kicked out of their land years ago and the Israelies think they can do the same to Lebanon.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1967 Israel occupied East Jerusalem in the Six-Day War....took it from Jordan. Before that Israel had the west part, and Jordan the east....perhaps this is what they refered to? I could be wrong?

Israel took it, and ignored UN resolutions to give it back. In fact thought it should be the capital of Israel even though the city is very important to christians and muslims....

The international world collectively stated that Israel has no right to occupy and claim the city in whole, but Israel refused to listen...

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's sad...

Jerusalem was built by people of the area of Israelis AND palastinians, and the original name translated to "city of peace".

It should be shared.

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

would Islam share Mecca?

9:32 PM  
Blogger lola said...

Should be shared? Would you like it if i forced you out of your house and brought all my friends over and we moved there permanently, whether you like it or not, then force you to live in a dog house in the garden?
Tell me , would you like it?

9:33 PM  
Blogger lola said...

Who says Islam is not shared in Mecca? And what do you mean by "not shared"?
Who is the fool posting anonymous comments?

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jerusalem is a holy city to Islam and christians...it was built by neither.

9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin From USA
Lola I am not trying to start another war but I am trying to lean about the middle east. Could you tel me do you feel it should all belong to Israel or the Palestinians and why? If you want you cal e-mail me at kevin@findgraffs.com

9:56 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

Personally, I think it should be an "international city" under no one nation's control. And either both Israel and Palestine have the opportunity to base a capital there, or neither does. The biblical claim that the Jews have to Palestine does not negate the 12+ centuries that Arabs/Muslims have been there. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and anyone else should be allowed access to that city and have an opportunity to feel safe there.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although a person supplying weapons to someone without the knowledge of what they will be used for or when is not ilegal, what the U.S. did is. The U.S. only supplied these weapons after the war started. They ordered a quick shipment for the sole purpose of using it against Lebanon. The U.S. knew fully what the WMDs would be used for. That is ilegal, probably everywhere.

10:02 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

But, Rick - who would hire the meter maids and street sweepers and mayor? Or would there be a mayor? Should he or she be the child of an Israeli mother and an Arab father? (OMG) or, of course, vice versa?

And what happens when tour guides refer to it as "The Vatican of The Mideast?" Talk about equal opportunity offenders!

With respect, you're describing Walt Disney's original idea for EPCOT. Money and ego got in the way there, too.

10:12 PM  
Blogger lola said...

I went to EPCOT... what the hell was that?

10:44 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

The EPCOT Disney imagined was the "Environmental Prototype Community Of Tomorrow." It was to be a working community whose residents were from, initially, 100 countries from around the world. The idea was that if these disparate people could live and work together, they'd learn about each other and would become, first, tolerant and then friends. Their children would eventually marry each other or not, their creeds and religions and prejudices would disappear as obstacles of necessity - if they didn't the business of the community would be disturbed.

But - Walt Disney died and, with him, EPCOT. The EPCOT we have today is an amusement park. Yes - there are individual country pavilions but they are cartoons staffed with well meaning natives of the individual countries. But they do nothing much more than hawk food and trinkets from Germany or China or Norway or Morrocco or Mexico ... With, of course, the various rides and other carnival-like attractions.

10:56 PM  
Blogger lola said...

Yeah coz it was freaky when i went there. But now that you explained its purpose, it is a shame no one explained it to me this way when i asked them.

11:01 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Well, Lola - actually it's also a good lesson in the deadly sin of greed. Michael Eisner, as head of Disney Enterprises, made as much as 200 million dollars a year - 15 years ago. He's been booted from the company but he's still taking a huge amount of money and stock home. All the other top execs are paid obscenely as well. A ticket to the place for one park for one day is now $65.00. I live 80 miles from Disneyworld and refuse to go. Well - from now on, I do. I got hooked into buying two annual passes last year and they run out at the end of September. So - Wednesday night and all day Thursday, I'll be at Disneyworld.

I'd invite you to use my pass but the pass is combined with a finger print check - I'm not kidding. Nobody else can use the ticket.

That's why EPCOT was so perverted - money and greed.

11:11 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

I would put the whole thing under *gasp* U.N. supervision. Let the city work with them like Washington DC has to get money from Congress. Well not quite the same way, as we don't need another mayor on crack!

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HCB, Sam is more entertaining than your hate filled words....atleast we can laugh at his. Even disney is evil to you.....get a grip. They make 30,000+ a year to dance around with mouse ears...the median pay at disney world is more than double the federal minimum wage...how much do you feel dressing up like goofy should pay?

12:42 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

ok

12:46 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Hey guys stop! Don't use my name anymore for your laughing. Kevin and I are having a nice converstaion on the first blog. If your open and not open join us. You'll be suprised.

thanks,
Sam

12:55 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

Crap I need to slow down.

Just join us, you'll be suprised.

12:56 AM  
Blogger Buttermilk Sky said...

"The IDF is the most powerful institution in Israeli society, and the one which we are discouraged from criticising." Does this remind anyone else of the French army that victimized Capt. Dreyfus and turned its fury on Emile Zola and others who stood up for him? The Dreyfus case galvanized Abraham Herzl into founding the Zionist movement. What would he think of it now?

3:54 AM  
Blogger n00b said...

i think you are wasting time people like "sam". Some people like this poor guy, hasn't reached a certain level of "realization". So i say ignore him, don't be provocated, act as if he is invisible. Can't you see that it is obvious that we can't change them. They are like a punch-bag, constantly saying "Hit me, I'm so stupid". DO NOT Waste your energy. Go out and shout, make campaigns, shoot videos, anything to express yourselves. Don't be bothered by fools,who stucked in their poor narrow reality, which is created by superpowers that rule the world and money. They aim "new world order". Well we have already seen enough of it. Now its time to stick their plans up to their racist, capitalist asses. Don't talk, do something. Humanity is dead, they are shitting into the world. It's time to act. No one else will do it if we don't. As i say "we" i mean, arab, american, israeli, turkish, anyone who possess the quality of being HUMAN! Not bastards like uncle "sam"

Hi to all from istanbul, turkey

11:45 PM  
Blogger n00b said...

By the way great article to understand "innocent" jews. Its normal that few of them realize the truth. God damn they are so fucking economically powerful.

11:48 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

any other thoughts on Jerusalem?

12:16 AM  

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