Wednesday, August 09, 2006

The PM

End This Tragedy Now
Israel Must Be Made to Respect International Law

By Fouad Siniora
August 9, 2006

BEIRUT: A military solution to Israel's savage war on Lebanon and the Lebanese people is both morally unacceptable and totally unrealistic. We in Lebanon call upon the international community and citizens everywhere to support my country's sovereignty and end this folly now. We also insist that Israel be made to respect international humanitarian law, including the provisions of the Geneva Conventions, which it has repeatedly and willfully violated.
As the world watches, Israel has besieged and ravaged our country, created a humanitarian and environmental disaster, and shattered our infrastructure and economy, putting an intolerable strain on our social and economic systems. Fuel, food and medical equipment are in short supply; homes, factories and warehouses have been destroyed; roads severed, bridges smashed and airports disabled.
The damage to infrastructure alone is running into the billions of dollars, as are the losses to owners of private property, and the long-term direct and indirect costs due to lost revenue in tourism, agriculture and industrial sectors are expected to be many more billions. Lebanon's well-known achievements in 15 years of postwar development have been wiped out in a matter of days by Israel's deadly military might.
For all this carnage and death, and on behalf of all Lebanese, we demand an international inquiry into Israel's criminal actions in Lebanon and insist that Israel pay compensation for its wanton
destruction.
Israel seems to think that its attacks will sow discord among the Lebanese. This will never happen. Israel should know that the Lebanese people will remain steadfast and united in the face of this latest Israeli aggression -- its seventh invasion -- just as they were during nearly two decades of brutal occupation. The people's will to resist grows ever stronger with each village demolished and each massacre committed.
On July 25, at the international conference for Lebanon in Rome, I proposed a comprehensive seven-point plan to end the war. It was well received by the conference and got the unanimous and full backing of the Lebanese Council of Ministers, in which Hezbollah is represented, as well as of the speaker of parliament and a majority of parliamentary blocs. Representatives of diverse segments of Lebanese civil society have come out strongly in favor, as has the
Islamic-Christian Summit, representing all the religious confessions, ensuring a broad national consensus and preserving our delicate social equilibrium.
The plan, which also received the full support of the 56 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, included an immediate, unconditional and comprehensive cease-fire and called for:
· The release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners and detainees through the International Committee of the Red Cross.

· The withdrawal of the Israeli army behind the "blue line."

· A commitment from the U.N. Security Council to place the Shebaa Farms and Kfar Shouba Hills areas under U.N. jurisdiction until border delineation and Lebanese sovereignty over them are fully settled.
Further, Israel must surrender all maps of remaining land mines in southern Lebanon to the United Nations.

· Extension of the Lebanese government's authority over its territory through its legitimate armed forces, with no weapons or authority other than that of the Lebanese state, as stipulated in the Taif accord. We have indicated that the Lebanese armed forces are ready and able to deploy in southern Lebanon, alongside the U.N. forces there, the moment Israel pulls back to the international border.

· The supplementing of the U.N. international force operating in southern Lebanon and its enhancement in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operation, as needed, to undertake urgent humanitarian and relief work and guarantee stability and security in the south so that those who fled their homes can return.

· Action by the United Nations on the necessary measures to once again put into effect the 1949 armistice agreement signed by Lebanon and Israel and to ensure adherence to its provisions, as well as to explore possible amendments to or development of those provisions as necessary.

· The commitment of the international community to support Lebanon on all levels, including relief, reconstruction and development needs.

As part of this comprehensive plan, and empowered by strong domestic political support and the unanimous backing of the cabinet, the Lebanese government decided to deploy the Lebanese armed forces in southern Lebanon as the sole domestic military force in the area, alongside U.N. forces there, the moment Israel pulls back to the international border.
Israel responded by slaughtering more civilians in the biblical town of Qana. Such horrible scenes have been repeated daily for nearly four weeks and continue even as I write these words.
The resolution to this war must respect international law and U.N. resolutions, not just those selected by Israel, a state that deserves its reputation as a pariah because of its consistent disdain for and rejection of international law and the wishes of the international community for over half a century.
Lebanon calls, once again, on the United Nations to bring about an immediate cease-fire to relieve the beleaguered people of Lebanon. Only then can the root causes of this war -- Israeli occupation of Lebanese territories and its perennial threat to Lebanon's security, as well as Lebanon's struggle to regain full sovereignty over all its territory -- be addressed.
I believe that a political resolution rooted in international law and based on these seven points will lead to long-term stability. If Israel would realize that the peoples of the Middle East cannot be cowed into submission, that they aspire only to live in freedom and dignity, it could also be a stepping stone to a final solution of the wider Arab-Israeli conflict, which has plagued our region for 60 years.
The 2002 Arab summit in Beirut, which called for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace based on the principle of land for peace, showed the way forward. A political solution cannot, however, be implemented as long as Israel continues to occupy Arab land in Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and the Syrian Golan Heights and as long as it wages war on innocent people in Lebanon and Palestine. As Jawaharlal Nehru said, "the only alternative to coexistence is co-destruction."

Enough destruction, dispossession, desperation, displacement and death! Lebanon must be allowed to reclaim its position in this troubled region as a beacon of freedom and democracy where justice and the rule of law prevail, and as a refuge for the oppressed where moderation, tolerance and enlightenment triumph.

The writer is Prime Minister of Lebanon.

45 Comments:

Blogger fairy said...

to me he truly is a hero in these nightmare days.

1:55 PM  
Anonymous Omar said...

The whole Cabinet agreed to the 7 Point Plan? I.e. Hezbollah cabinet members agreed to have the Lebanese army deployed fully in the south, with no weapons other than Lebanese army weapons? Is this true?

2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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1. inform of the situation in Lebanon
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Kind regards

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2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey everyone in Lebanon, your troubles are over now, you can make extra money being a secret shopper...


What an ass putting a secret shopper ad on a blog like this...:)

2:43 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Assuming, arguendo, that Israel was justified in attacking and attempting to destroy Hezbollah, why Israelis, was it necessary to destroy the airport, the bridges, the beaches, and the rest of the infrastructure of Lebanon? And - why is it necessary to continue? What has and will be accomplished by destroying so much and killing so many that is valuable to Israel?

And, do you agree with George Bush in his assessment that the Lebanese Army is not now capable of policing southern Lebanon without assistance?

2:45 PM  
Blogger Mr Wrath said...

Sen. Lieberman just lost Connecticut's Democratic primary based almost soley on the fact he approves of Bush and the war in Iraq. Nobody seems to even care that he did very good things in his 18 years as Senator...Ned Lamont beat him even though few even know much about him because he based his campain soley on the fact he is against Bush and the wars in the Middle East.

I don't know how important this is to anyone outside of America, but everyone here was watching to see how the middle east affairs would effect voting, and this was the first show....the people spoke, and it shows the people are willing to throw out an 18 year Senator with a good record because he supports Bush and the middle east wars...this is a good sign that people are tired of this way of doing things, and there's a good chance the Republicans here will be ousted from congress soon.

This will not only strip Bush, a Republican, of the ease of having a Republican majority in congress, but it is believed that the minute the democrats take over congress, all kinds of charges will be filed, and investigations, against bush.

It's just starting now, and everyone was watching to see just how important the middle east mess is to people, they predicted a close race, but it wasn't even close, the people would rather have an unknown than an 18 year respected Senator who supports the wars.

Don't give up on us yet.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous gidi said...

Please post the following coment from Haaretz.com

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747998.html

At five after the war

By Gideon Samet

The war is actually over, even if both sides don't know it yet. The bitter argument as to whether it was justified will, perhaps, be settled only in the coming months. But Israel is not prepared for what will come later any more than it was fully alert when it started. The really big test will not be the balance of casualties, destruction of missile launchers, blown-up houses or morale symbols - whether false or true - that both sides will try to impress on the tired minds of millions of citizens.

What will determine Israel's place in this bad neighborhood for many years to come is the way the country's political and social leadership knew how to navigate in this new situation. No committee of inquiry will mark the path. Heads will have to roll, mainly because of the scandalous treatment of the home front. But above all, minds must open themselves up to a completely different reality. The strangest war in our history has suddenly made clear the extent of the danger emanating from the contemptible enemy in the backyard. In spite of its unprecedented cruelty, this war has not yet opened the eyes of the government, which knows how to pull the trigger, but whose diplomatic mind is as narrow as an ant's world.

In a way that is still unclear to this government, the war, like many in history, is also a special opportunity for a new diplomatic move. Ehud Olmert understands that unilateral convergence has been hit with a crushing missile. Perhaps, therefore, in one of this battle's strange phone calls, he hastened to apologize to MK Efi Eitam this week for saying in an interview that an achievement in Lebanon will boost convergence. Nothing can be unilateral any longer. Not dealing with Hezbollah, not withdrawing from the West Bank, no boastful patter about Israel's power to arrange matters as it sees fit. The new age now forced on Israel is one of dialogue with those pulling the strings in the West as with our neighbors.

A visit to east Asia over the past two weeks made well clear to this writer the extent of the Islamic fundamentalist threat to the east of us, all the way to the continent's edges. A look at this Islamic axis from its back can be more frightening than the local threat. The radical Islamic chain feeds the local threat from dark depths, beyond Iran, Syria and Lebanon. But Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and any country with a Muslim minority also feel its poison stinger in their backs.

Jamaa Islamiya wants an Islamic religious state in Indonesia, which is Muslim, but largely secular. The same is true in southern Thailand and the Philippines. Singapore, which is surrounded by the tom-tom drums of world jihad, lately sent a high-level and curious delegation to learn from Israel's experience. But it has nothing to learn from us regarding the insight that the United States is only just beginning to internalize: to deal with the huge conglomerate of religious fanaticism, smart bombs are not enough. The U.S. magazine Atlantic Monthly, for example, published a comprehensive cover story this month about the need to understand that the war on terror, a la George Bush, is over. The time has come for a no less extensive diplomatic and humanitarian moves accompanied by occasional military means.

To many in Israel who in their minds have yet to take their finger off the trigger toward Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank, it may seem surprising that this is the time to move to a completely different front. Now, after the mutual killing, circumstances are ripe for a wider Israeli assault in favor of serious negotiations with Hamas and the Palestinian administration. This is also the time to talk to Syria, or at least to take its pulse.

This is the right time to bring forth everything the Israeli genius can, despite its famed historic limitations, toward dialogue, clear bilateralism, arrangements, humanitarian sensitivity, a lowering of the repulsive macho tone that Olmert is not lacking. A crack has opened toward another age. Olmert and company will be courting our disaster if they do not move toward it with a firm step. Not at six after the war. At five.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Siniora's plan would be very acceptable, minus the exchange of prisoners. Only 2 prisoners should even be handed back. Israel has no obligation whatsoever to turn over any prisoners. Nor is Siniora correct in asserting the root cause of this is Israel's "occupation". The root cause is the utter hatred for anything Jew from many different fronts in the region.

3:20 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

You offer no basis for your assertion that the root case is not Israel's occupation but, rather, is "the utter hatred for anything Jew from many different fronts in the region." Do you have such a basis? Or does it stem simply from a hatred of anything Muslim and of others who don't send money to the anti-defamation league?

3:25 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

By the way - do you suggest the razing of Lebanon and the killing of so many Lebanese was by reason of anything other than Israeli (or, in your terms, Jewish) hatred of the Lebanese? Israel (Jews, by your choice) have certainly made themselves look like bullies proceeding from hatred. And that's not just my feeling. If you'd like, I'll refer you to specific Israeli (Jewish) authors who say so. Your prime minister and minister of war made clear Israel's intentions and hate at the very beginning when they said the intention is to turn the clock back 20 years in Lebanon (not, destroy Hezbollah) and that their names will NEVER be forgotten. I don't think Olmert and Peretz will long be remembered. But they've certainly assured Israel will be long remembered. With disgust.

3:32 PM  
Anonymous cstar said...

anonymous, are you serious! I'm assuming you've just tuned into this war 4 weeks ago rather than decades ago. How do you justify your point that Israel has no obligation to turn over prisoners? Again, im assuming that you were present when the Lebanese prisoners were given a fair trial in Israeli courts. Ha! Israel are far from the victim here, open your eyes

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do I think Israel has gone too far? Most likely. Do I think that means they need to concede that Hezbollah wins by giving into their original demands? Please. Lebanon is far from the only victim here. 3000 rockets raining down on civilians in Israel is a very scary thought. Open your eyes a bit further south than the Litani. The south isn't exactly the most innocent group either. There are two sides to this story, stop believing that because the death toll on one side is higher correlates to that side being the only one wronged.

3:37 PM  
Blogger Mr Wrath said...

Bush does the same crap...holding prisoners without just cause, or even charging them with a crime...for years. They don't even get a biased fake trial or anything...just "detained" for years.

Makes me mad when I can't bitch about other countries because my own does it...

Lebanon prisoners in Isreal who DID commit crimes should never be released back to Lebanon....you seriously can't think anyone who murdered people or bombed anything should just be released? OK, but I am sure there are many who perhaps should be...I know the one guy Hezbollah wanted out was in jail for killing people, no way should he be released, I mean c'mon...

3:42 PM  
Blogger Nehal said...

My Goodness, so much talk. You all sound little kids, what is the point of these discussions? They lead no where, nor do they say anything insightful just stuff we have heard ten zillion times. I would much prefer to see us try to find practical means to help and means to engage in useful dialogue with the other side (whomever they may be, we are stuck as neighbours we need to learn to get along)instead of this all this barking.

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Gidi said...

Please read this:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3288753,00.html

Red Cross chief: Tel Aviv, Beirut beaches packed

International Red Cross president visits rocket-stricken northern town of Nahariya, meets with residents
Hagai Einav

While the effects of war are readily apparent in northern Israel and southern Lebanon, life largely proceeds as usual in both Beirut and Tel Aviv, according to president of the International Red Cross, Dr. Jakob Kellenberger, who arrived in Israel for a visit Wednesday.

The beaches in Beirut are packed and businesses downtown are doing well, Kellenberger said, and compared the situation to the ongoing routine in Tel Aviv and central Israel, which he noted are disconnected from the fighting at this point.



Dr. Jakob Kellenberger in Nahariya (Photo: Reuters)

Speaking at a Magen David Adom ambulance service station in the northern town of Nahariya, Kellenberger said he came to Israel to see how MDA is handling the crisis situation. During the visit, the Red Cross official received a briefing regarding MDA's activities since the outbreak of hostilities. The visitor later asked to tour several bomb shelters in Nahariya.

Upon arrival at the northern town's eastern neighborhoods, Kellenberger spoke with residents and heard about the crisis and difficulties associated with the stay in bomb shelters.

It isn't easy to see elderly and children suffering on both sides as a result of the difficult fighting on the northern border, he said.

At one of the bomb shelters visited, the visitor and MDA representatives accompanying him encountered a mother of five who for two weeks has been trying to obtain financing to purchase medicine for her children, who suffer from a serious throat infection.

"You need to take care of us," the woman told Kellenberger, noting that the Red Cross is a humanitarian organization. A short time later, MDA's spokesman announced that a representative will be arriving at the site shortly to examine the children and provide them with medical care.


On his way out of the shelter, Kellenberger received a reminder as to the unpleasant realities, as a siren blared across town, followed by rockets landing not far from the delegation.

British-Israeli paranormalist Uri Geller also joined the tour and translated residents' complaints to Kellenberger. Dozens of people are living in crowded bomb shelters around the clock with a single bathroom and don't see daylight, he said, adding this is the image that must be etched into the consciousness of the visiting delegation.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hehal, we are not going to change much of anything by talking here. If anyone thinks this blog will change the world, I worry about them.

At best, this blog, as I assume the owners intended, can draw limited attention to the issues, and with the belief that many other blogs can also draw some attention, perhaps a little progress can be made from blogs in this day and age if enough are made and visited....mnaybe offer people a understanding of issues?.

"useful" dialog at this site you seem to think can change the outcome of this mess, or effect government decisions...it's just a blog brother.

Instead of telling everyone they are posting useless words, why not instead of joining in, show us your version of useful talk?

4:15 PM  
Anonymous dror from israel said...

to nahal:
its partly beacouse of the people here (see for instance http://mahmood.tv/)

and partly beacouse of the blog/ froum media:
http://www.hevra.org.il/wiki/index.php/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F
to those that can't read hebrew:

the forum is a bad media to make people come to hear one anther and a good media to pick up a fight.we need better media to communicate ideas, incouraging
truth telling and honor for other and discuraging hate , bad language and reapeating arguments with no end

there for we need a wiki discussion.

4:34 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

gidi,

i am sorry to inform you that ALL our beaches have been destroyed by an oil slick which is covering our beaches. no one can go to beaches for at least a year now. and this oil slick is creating another huge problem: massive risks of cancer...
in terms of businesses, we are having so many electricity problems that our productivity has been reduced by more than 10-fold. and believe me, being at work is not a desire, its a need to make money. soon because of no gasoline, people will not be able to go to work.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous gidi said...

mrtz - Do you not believe the president of the International Red Cross, Dr. Jakob Kellenberger?? he saw it in his own eyes and is telling us what people in Beirut and Tel Aviv are doing... feeling....

or does it spoil your strategy of inflating the terrible situation...?

it is fact that people in both birut and telaviv are trying to keep a normal life going despite the terrible killing and dpression and devistation going around them...

cheer up, lets hope it all send soon!!

5:32 PM  
Anonymous dror from israel said...

mrtez

i think cancer from gas in mostly from inhaling it , not tuching it. anyway some israelis sceintised have devdelopt a bactiria that eat oil speals. i don't know how much effetive it is (considering the long time from spil to clean) but it might help a bit.

and if we will have peace with lebaon a lot of mony will come to the region from turisem (israelies and mostly westerners).

chances for that look slim, but we must keep being optimistic and also do thing to promote it, or peace will never come and winter will remain forever.

5:45 PM  
Blogger Chris Baker said...

MRTEZ mentioned the major oil slick and the environmental disaster it's created for Lebanon. Perhaps because of all the horror the Bush administration has caused in Iraq, most US voters don't seem to want to know about the suffering in Lebanon. That's in spite of the fact that President Bush is directly to blame. However the oil slick was featured on ABC News last week and ABC mentioned the plight of endangered turtles, always a popular topic in the US. Lebanon could promote the oil slick and it's environmental disaster more with the US press.

The only US produced news program which has paid a lot of attention to the war in Lebanon is "Democracy Now, an independently-produced program from New York City popular with Democrats. "Democracy Now" has long been highly critical of Israel's tactics for dealing with the Palestinians. Senator Lieberman, the Orthodox Jew who lost his primary yesterday, represents Connecticut which abuts New York City.

"Democracy Now" has been devoting about half their coverage to the war in Lebanon. Yesterday they interviewed Richard Debs in New York, former President of Morgan Stanley International and former Chair of the Board of the American University of Beirut. He is still active in advising Morgan Stanley International. Debs was highly critical of the Bush administration's handling of the situation and of the Middle East in general - some quotes (link below):
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America itself is wounding itself in such a way that it's going to take us decades to recover from what we've done here. ... The major mistake was letting this situation in the Middle East fester as it has, benign neglect or malign neglect, whatever the case was. This government would not play the role that it should have as the major, major power in the world, with great influence over Israel, obviously. And no longer does this president have the role of a peacemaker that is evenhanded -- you know, the evenhanded policy we've had or attempted to have over the years -- and basically let the situation get out of control.
...
This can't go on, this American incursion in creating a new Middle East, as the Secretary of State said, going through the birthing pains of creating a new Middle East. A new Middle East for what? A new Middle East for the benefit of Israel and the United States? That's the view over there. Those are code words. “Democracy” has become a codeword, I’m sorry to say, and not a good codeword in the Middle East. Democracy stands for now, in their perception, the idea of American sovereignty over the whole area and Israeli incursions into the whole area. It's a very sad situation.
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He also mentioned the pressure placed on the University by the US State Dept. to get Americans out of Lebanon:
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The situation there is that the American State Department pressured all Americans to leave Lebanon. In view of our policy there any American who was killed, you know, would have been -- that situation would have been very embarrassing for Americans and Israelis, so they wanted to get all the Americans out. And they put real pressure on getting them out. And most of them did leave.

Interviewer: How did they put pressure?

RICHARD DEBS: They got out as well as they could. You can't get out anymore. I mean, now it's all sealed off. You know, Israel has bombed all of the bridges north of Beirut, as well. And so, many of our administrative people -- many, I mean hundreds -- had to leave, did leave. The doctors, however, most of them stayed behind.
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Source: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/08/1453233

5:56 PM  
Blogger Chris Baker said...

MRTEZ mentioned the major oil slick and the environmental disaster it's created for Lebanon. Perhaps because of all the horror the Bush administration has caused in Iraq, most US voters don't seem to want to know about the suffering in Lebanon. That's in spite of the fact that President Bush is directly to blame. However the oil slick was featured on ABC News last week and ABC mentioned the plight of endangered turtles, always a popular topic in the US. Lebanon could promote the oil slick and it's environmental disaster more with the US press.

The only US produced news program which has paid a lot of attention to the war in Lebanon is "Democracy Now, an independently-produced program from New York City popular with Democrats. "Democracy Now" has long been highly critical of Israel's tactics for dealing with the Palestinians. Senator Lieberman, the Orthodox Jew who lost his primary yesterday, represents Connecticut which abuts New York City.

"Democracy Now" has been devoting about half their coverage to the war in Lebanon. Yesterday they interviewed Richard Debs in New York, former President of Morgan Stanley International and former Chair of the Board of the American University of Beirut. He is still active in advising Morgan Stanley International. Debs was highly critical of the Bush administration's handling of the situation and of the Middle East in general - some quotes (link below):
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America itself is wounding itself in such a way that it's going to take us decades to recover from what we've done here. ... The major mistake was letting this situation in the Middle East fester as it has, benign neglect or malign neglect, whatever the case was. This government would not play the role that it should have as the major, major power in the world, with great influence over Israel, obviously. And no longer does this president have the role of a peacemaker that is evenhanded -- you know, the evenhanded policy we've had or attempted to have over the years -- and basically let the situation get out of control.
...
This can't go on, this American incursion in creating a new Middle East, as the Secretary of State said, going through the birthing pains of creating a new Middle East. A new Middle East for what? A new Middle East for the benefit of Israel and the United States? That's the view over there. Those are code words. “Democracy” has become a codeword, I’m sorry to say, and not a good codeword in the Middle East. Democracy stands for now, in their perception, the idea of American sovereignty over the whole area and Israeli incursions into the whole area. It's a very sad situation.
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He also mentioned the pressure placed on the University by the US State Dept. to get Americans out of Lebanon:
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The situation there is that the American State Department pressured all Americans to leave Lebanon. In view of our policy there any American who was killed, you know, would have been -- that situation would have been very embarrassing for Americans and Israelis, so they wanted to get all the Americans out. And they put real pressure on getting them out. And most of them did leave.

Interviewer: How did they put pressure?

RICHARD DEBS: They got out as well as they could. You can't get out anymore. I mean, now it's all sealed off. You know, Israel has bombed all of the bridges north of Beirut, as well. And so, many of our administrative people -- many, I mean hundreds -- had to leave, did leave. The doctors, however, most of them stayed behind.
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Source: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/08/1453233

5:56 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Gee, Gidi, I read that entire post - on the web site from Israel. I was impressed to see that not only Kellenberger saw it with his own eyes but so did Uri Geller. Isn't he the guy who used to bend spoons on the "Tonight Show?" Until he got tripped up and shown to be a fraud, I mean. He probably wouldn't be my first choice as an "eye witness." But, yup - Kellenberger saw everybody in Beirut funning it up at the beach while all the people Kellenberger was talking to were sharing a shelter with a single bathroom. Hey - here's what occurred to me: You folks can get into a shelter. Know what happens when you're in a shelter and a brave pilot in an airplane five miles in the sky drops a 500 kg bomb on the shelter? Qana will give you an idea.

Why don't you ask Kellenberger what he thinks has been accomplished by Israel. Oh - and ask him if he noticed any oil on the beaches. And Dror? You've confirmed what I always thought.

5:56 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Gee, Gidi, I read that entire post - on the web site from Israel. I was impressed to see that not only Kellenberger saw it with his own eyes but so did Uri Geller. Isn't he the guy who used to bend spoons on the "Tonight Show?" Until he got tripped up and shown to be a fraud, I mean. He probably wouldn't be my first choice as an "eye witness." But, yup - Kellenberger saw everybody in Beirut funning it up at the beach while all the people Kellenberger was talking to were sharing a shelter with a single bathroom. Hey - here's what occurred to me: You folks can get into a shelter. Know what happens when you're in a shelter and a brave pilot in an airplane five miles in the sky drops a 500 kg bomb on the shelter? Qana will give you an idea.

Why don't you ask Kellenberger what he thinks has been accomplished by Israel. Oh - and ask him if he noticed any oil on the beaches. And Dror? You've confirmed what I always thought.

5:56 PM  
Blogger Mr Wrath said...

Some students recently showed there is still oil on Prince William Sound beach in Alaska just inches under the surface 17 years after a tragic oil spill. This stuff doesn't just wash away easy.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

democracy now is rubbish! they are a bunch of idiots who never left the 'only democracy' state in the entire world..... the US.

5:59 PM  
Blogger Mr Wrath said...

BTW blog owners, how about a nice positive article about "doctors without borders"? These guys are amazing and an example the world should look at.

If the story I read is true, they are over there forming some human chain across a river in a warzone to pass supplies hand to hand...I have read about them before, so it's no suprise they would be there. A positive article wouldn't hurt every now and then.

6:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon, democracy here in the U.S. cost many many many lives to acheive. I often here nowadays that "democracy doesn't work everywhere" but I think part of the issue is more that people are no longer willing to die for it in this day and age...they want it put in place with no resistence, and at no cost. The price of freedom and independence is NOT cheap, and people will always have to die for it to happen....people are not willing to die for freedom anymore...they think less of what life they can give generations to come than they think of what do they get out of it.

6:12 PM  
Blogger Mr Wrath said...

Sorry to post too often, but here is a link to the DWB talking about the bridges being bombed, and how they had to move 4 tons of emergy supplies for people across the river hand to hand...it is inspiring, and I think in times like this we need inspiration. It's nice to see how good people can be as well....reporters there seem to keep jumping in to help as well...I saw a pic of a photographer carrying an old lady on his back through rubble...here they jumped in as well...good for them, standing and watching while taking pics would be disgraceful..

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/2006/08-08-2006_1.cfm

6:22 PM  
Blogger mrtez said...

to gidi,
i assure you there is not one person on the beaches here since there is none so far. there are people in private pools, but very few.
and in terms of cancer because of the oil slick, please read the following:

An oil spill caused by Israeli raids on a Lebanese power plant poses a cancer risk to the people of Lebanon and Syria, an Italian environmental monitoring agency warned Tuesday.
"The presence of the fuel oil on the coasts of Lebanon and Syria exposes people in the zones affected to a heightened risk of cancer," said Simonetta Lombardo of Info-Rac, which monitors compliance with the so-called Barcelona Convention.
The Convention is a 1976 document drawn up by the UN Environment Program (UNEP) designed to protect the Mediterranean and to which 22 countries have so far signed up.
An estimated 10,000 tons of fuel oil spilled from the plant at Jiyyeh, 25 kilometers south of Beirut, after Israeli warplanes attacked it on July 14, according to Lebanese authorities, and a further 20,000 tonnes have subsequently leaked out.
The spill, which has moved at least 120 kilometers (75 miles) to the north and reached the Syrian coast, "is a high-risk toxic cocktail made up of substances which cause cancer and damage to the endocrine system," Lombardo told reporters in Rome.
"It is not oil that has flowed but fuel for power stations," she said at a news conference. "This contains substances such as benzene, categorized as a Class 1 carcinogen."
An Info-Rac statement added that "chemical compounds that are highly volatile, especially in the presence of high temperatures have dispersed (in the air) from the power plant."
"The first people exposed to the risk from breathing in 'toxic spray' (also made up of benzene) are the inhabitants of Beirut -- two million people living in the metropolitan region," it went on.
"Since last Sunday the coastline of Lebanon has seen large quantities of dead fish, attributable to pollution caused by fuel oil."
Info-Rac fears the food chain could become contaminated.(AFP photo shows a view of oil in the ancient Phoenician port of Byblos).

Do you have a cure for that too?

7:26 PM  
Blogger rufusmommy said...

I think if you all are looking for a blog about Israel and what's happening there, you need to find a blog run by Israelis. This blog is called "Beirut Live", not "Israel Live".

I think it's fair to assume that the civilians on both sides are living in fear of rockets raining down on them. No one is disputing that fact. But the fact also remains that the number of bombs/rockets hitting Lebanon is far greater than the number hitting Israel. I seriously doubt that many Lebanse are out partying it up while this is all occuring. But even if they are, I say don't judge until you've been in someone's shoes. How they choose to deal with the stress of war is their own decison. Who is to say how any one of us would behave if our country were under attack. Maybe we'd be desperate for a bit of normalcy among the chaos.

7:40 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

anonymous, this talk of prisoners coming from someone who claims to be an ally of the United States, yet refuses to extradite anyone back to our country who has fled to yours to avoid prosecution for heinous murder. And what about the 9000 Palestinians who have been lamguishing in your jails for decades, and who are you to burst into another country, territory or not, and arrest thir elected governemnt.

The Paletinian ministers are right - they should dissolve their governemnt and then you, the occupying army, would have the responsibility of rebuilding their country after your devastation, feeding them, clothing them, employing them, getting their infrastructure working, giving themwater, etc. And if you didn't, then your true colors would be shown The war crimes trials would begin. The coat has many colors, the one your governemnt is showing the most over there is blood red.

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the terrorist you protect and support, do they not need to follow the laws. Oh ya they don't have to, they're killing the "none believers". So it's okay in your minds. WEll not to the world as you can see.

7:46 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

The problem with democracy is that it's not something that can be forced on people. Democracy comes from within and it takes hard work to keep it rolling. Look at ours. We got complacent and arrogant and it is rapidly slipping though our fingers.

Glad Lieberman got voted out - it's a good sign for November.

7:52 PM  
Blogger rufusmommy said...

Julie - yes it is. I think Americans are finally starting to wake up - Thank God.

7:59 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

well put Julie!

12:10 AM  
Blogger Nehal said...

I think both sides need to cool down. We as Arabs need to put pressure on Hisbullah to STOP. We need to start by taking responsibilities for our OWN actions. We need to think with our heads. You complain of the news but if they were not able to say "Israel did blah blah blah but the Arabs were not much better they did blah blah blah", if all they could say was Israel did blah blah blah and Arabs did nothing and tried to promote peace then WE have the upper hand. People will have to side with us there will be no excuse. We have to ADMIT that Hisbullah has broken international law by targetting civilians and that deaths on BOTH sides produce grief in the families of the lost. SO we should stop making excuses for our violence and not others. We need to think with our heads otherwise we will LOSE EVERYTHING and ONLY have ourselves to blame. Strategy is VERY important right now.

1:01 AM  
Anonymous Jim W., Minnesota, USA said...

Too bad your blog did not quote him from his speech to the Arab League. In that speech he clearly referred to Israel in less than diplomatic terms. I forget all the wording, but you can look it up.

I don't trust him, he's a hate monger and a Hezbollah sympathizer!

And Hezbollah is evil.

9:31 AM  
Anonymous Jim W., Minnesota, USA said...

Bloggers,

I've spent more than an hour trying to track down the text of that Siniora speech to the Arab League.... Seems like there are lots of sound bites, but nowhere can I find the whole darn thing. can you find it and publish it? I'm looking for the complete speech now.

Thanks, fellow truthseekers.

10:28 AM  
Anonymous fed up said...

I am an Lebanese who is fed up with all the shit that is going on. I want to go back home and live my life normaly.
I have never been, and would never be a supporter of any political group simply because i am not getting anything out of them.
As an Arab, it saddens me to hear what the western world is saying about us, implying that ALL ARABS ARE TERRORISTS. This had been said for a long as i can remember. It doesn't bother me, it is just plain ignorance if you ask me.
As an Arab i watch many programs, documentaries, read books and watch movies. And i have watched many movies about Jews. And i have cried whilst watching these movies coz i felt sorry for them. Not pity, just felt sorry for them because no one deserves to go through what they went through. And now this is happenning? I ask... Has a Jew or an Israeli ever cried for an Arab?
Please answer me this.

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fed up:

The answer is yes.

And it's funny that the same post that you write about how all Arabs are stereotyped into being terrorists, you also claim that no Israelis or Jews cry for arabs. Thereby making general remarks about the whole Jewish race and the whole country of Israel.

I'm Jewish and I've been watching hours upon hours of CNN, not because they have the most balanced views, but becuase htey have so many people in so many places. And every time I see Lebanese destruction or Israeli destruction I cringe and fervently wish this would end. (I haven't cried in about 15 years, not for Jews or Lebanese, but I do feel it)

Jews pray 3 times a day. There are countless mentions of peace in it... no mention of killing anyone who isn't Jewish. We don't have our spiritual leaders getting up and saying death to all Arabs, Christians, etc... Arabs do though. Spiritual leaders, educators, etc. They're teaching their young ones to hate and to kill and to become a martyr. You knwo what we're taught in school and by our Rabbis? To love. To love one's neighbour as they love oneself. We're taught not to anger quickly, to always give the benefit of the doubt, to not only love peace, but to chase after peace. Not once in my 20 years of Jewish education has any teacher, Rabbi, principal etc, ever said kill the Arabs. You'll get a great aferlife for it....

9:25 PM  
Anonymous blogwatch said...

A great quote by Golda Meir:

"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

9:26 PM  
Blogger Abigail said...

To All... I am not a Jew, nor am I Arab, I am an American Mexican, but last november i traveled to Israel. the nation captured my heart. I believ that most of the common people want peace and security for there families. no one wants to kill another man, but when a group like hezbollah openly says they represent the arab world, then we americans get that picture in our head. when the majority of terrorist attacks have come from arab nations, we do not fear them, but we do want to defend ourselves. For me personally i see a group of countries all fighting to kick out a nation that has been around since the begining of time, and not a physical nation, but as a people the Jews have been hated for thousands of years. Im not saying that all Arabs/Muslims are evil antisemists. But when the majority of political leaders in the arab nations denounce the "zionist state" and want to wipe Israel off the map, then you have to wonder why we see arabs in that light. As a christian, i do not believ in a God that says t kill infidels. Instead my God said to love your enemy as you love yourself. I pray for Arabs and Jews that peace and stability comes to both your lives. I know that you nmentioned Our President, George Bush, yes he claims to be a born again christian, but remember like your leaders, ours also make mistakes, and each and every one of them will stand in front of God and be held accountable for their actions, as will we. But that doesnt excuse what we or anyone else has done.

as for tears... When i was in jeruselam, and bethleham... I did cry for the arabs, because never had i felt so hated by a person simply for the origin of my birth, and at the same time they were afraid. I am only a nineteen year old college student why someone would fear me i have no idea, but the way they live and what they had was nothing in comparission to what i had, and i was never mor appreciative for the peace and security i have as an american, I dont have to live with the fear that rockets or bullets could land on me... And i did cry for those people because they are a hurting generation and i just wanted to mention that... It does break my heart to see poor lebanes children bleeding to death when i open up the paper. just a note from another american
much prayers
-Abigail Hernandez

3:56 AM  
Anonymous BlogWatch said...

Abigail, excellent post.

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