Friday, August 11, 2006

A Day in the Life

Today I did an interview with BBC Newsnight about what has been lost in Lebanon after the first month anniversary of this conflict. Robin Embley was good to speak to and I think it came out well. Time Out Beirut of course was mentioned in depth as we understood what the summer in 2006 was supposed to be all about: sunshine, tourism, festivals, people, art, beaches and thousands of years of Lebanese history and of course our incomparable food. As this battle goes on and Israel readies to implement its plan of control of South Lebanon from the Litani all the way to Baalbeck divided the nation via this backward L-shape all of us here fear for the future - the destruction of Lebanon as we know it and a regression to Civil War, exactly what Israel would love to see. Luckily however, the Lebanese are strong and their unity powerful. We will not submit to such plans for out country. We will return stronger than ever. But I digress. I write when I can on the blog at the moment, post when I can. Electricity in my apartment is on some sort of four hour rotation. I keep forgetting to go out to buy candles. KWG and I have no generator in our apartment and if we did we would have no fuel anyway as the Israeli blockade is seeing to that. So we rely on the national grid which is temperamental and we never know when it will be on and when it will be off. Which means often our nights are spend sweating in the humid, summer heat, avoiding mosquitoes that almost compete with the Israeli drones whirring overhead. Today Israel dropped leaflets on Beirut warning residents of the southern suburb neighbourhoods of Hay El Salloum, Chiah and Ouzai to leave - which promises an escalation of attacks on the capital tonight. So they are aiming to kill more civilians like the civilized people they are. The three day delay for diplomacy to work is as usual a false delay when deadly attacks will continue. Watch how many die in the next few days as Israel allows diplomacy to happen, then come back to me.
Meanwhile in Beirut some people are trying to release the tension. My friend DJ Jade, owner and DJ of legendary Beirut club Basement is doing a party in Broumana on Saturday - check out minimalresistance.org, and also in Beirut at a little Gemayzeh bar called sax: Party for peace it is named. That is of course if Gemayzeh has electricity over the weekend. The last two nights have seen candles out and the street black as the few people desperate to drown their sorrows in a drink stay the course as the American-made Israeli dropped bombs shake the city to its core. Beirut is a survivor and its people are hardened to this kind of aggressions. Depressed yes. In tears for all our fellow Lebanese dead yes. And before anyone starts talking to me about hate that goes for all civilians dead be they here or there across the border. But Israel has the chance to cease this war now and work and diplomatically. The longer this most powerful of armies proves itself unable to do what it set out to by force, and continue to kill civilians instead, the more they will find themselves losing in the long run. And we need all to get on with our lives, north and south. The Lebanese requirements are nothing but valid, the government has agreed to deploy the army. Let’s try and give it a chance to work. One month has gone by. And that is one month too long.

29 Comments:

Blogger Anon said...

Do you know when the Newsnight interview is likely to be aired?

Tonight’s Newsnight was ‘hijacked’ by the emergence of extremists plotting to wreak havoc over here and the US, with 10 planes.

The latest Newsnight programme, at any given time, can be viewed via the web:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

I read something rather ironic and contrary to evidence today: “The Member States [of the UN] are bound together by the principles of the UN Charter, an international treaty that spells out their rights and duties as members of the world community...[the pre-amble to this charter states] we the people of the United Nations [are] determined to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small [and] to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security.”
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

Yeah. Right.

All the best

Mortimer

2:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RS (Author):

You write "Today Israel dropped leaflets on Beirut warning residents of the southern suburb neighbourhoods of Hay El Salloum, Chiah and Ouzai to leave - which promises an escalation of attacks on the capital tonight."

And then you write: "So they are aiming to kill more civilians like the civilized people they are."

Seriously... Why would they drop leaflets warning the civilians, which puts THEIR OWN soldiers at risk because now Hezbollah can leave that area and create ambushes, all in the name of KILLING civilians?

This is the problem with blogs such as these. Lies that just spread false hatred... why don't we focus on peace for a change?

3:16 AM  
Anonymous Rosie said...

Seriously...what good does it do to drop leaflets? I have been reading and hearing most of the roads and bridges have been destroyed. How in the hell is anyone supposed to get out? Most of the people still there don't have the resources to leave, according to many news sources I have seen.

It almost seems the leaflets are a cruel, tasteless joke.

3:30 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

There's an idea - focus on peace while the bombers circle? So it's lies, huh? Which soldiers are put at risk? The ones in Beirut? Or the ones that intend to invade Beirut after the bombing? And you're "warning" the people? No - it's "taunting" the people. Where would you suppose those people are going to go, brave soldier? You know what is truly disgusting? A nation pretending to be "peace loving" and only wanting "peace" who is so completely evil and so completely cynical that it says, "warning - I'm coming to bomb your home. Get out or get dead."

We've had some decent Israelis on this blog able to talk like decent human beings. Why don't you try thinking before you simply come wading in here like a cybertrooper to tell these people they are liars? You invade their country, you bomb and destroy and kill and then you have the gall to invite yourself in to insult them?

I am in America - far away from you evil doers. But I assure you - every day. Every hour - my congressman, my senator and everyone else from my county commissioner up gets an email from me and every one I know with a computer. And we all say the same thing: If you can't figure out some other way to do it, cut the sons of bitches loose and let them fight their invasion with their own damned airplanes and bombs. Until they run out. And then tell them to go to hell. And I feel that way because of idiots like you. How dare you come in like that? How dare you decide to take any shred of hope for at least being able to talk and turn it into some lie. How dare you come in here and piously say we should be talking about peace while you circle over head drooling at the chance to drop more death and destruction.

Go to hell, you miserable pig of war.

3:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous 3:16 said...

HCB:

What other country, when attacked in an unprovoked aggression across a recognized international frontier, is then put on a countdown clock by the world, given a limited time window in which to fight back, regardless of whether it has restored its own security?

What other country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities -- every one designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians -- and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy's infrastructure and strongholds with precision-guided munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?

To hear the world pass judgment on the Israel-Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe. With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world -- governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats -- has completely lost its moral bearings.

The word that obviates all thinking and magically inverts victim into aggressor is "disproportionate," as in the universally decried "disproportionate Israeli response."

When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel "proportionate" attack on a Japanese naval base. It launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to cinders, and turned the Japanese home islands into rubble and ruin.

Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right -- legal and moral -- to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one's security again. That's what it took with Japan.

Britain was never invaded by Germany in World War II. Did it respond to the Blitz and V-1 and V-2 rockets with "proportionate" aerial bombardment of Germany? Of course not. Churchill orchestrated the greatest air campaign and land invasion in history, which flattened and utterly destroyed Germany, killing untold innocent German women and children in the process.

The perversity of today's international outcry lies in the fact that there is indeed a disproportion in this war, a radical moral asymmetry between Hezbollah and Israel: Hezbollah is deliberately trying to create civilian casualties on both sides while Israel is deliberately trying to minimize civilian casualties, also on both sides.

In perhaps the most blatant terror campaign from the air since the London Blitz, Hezbollah is raining rockets on Israeli cities and villages. These rockets are packed with ball bearings that can penetrate automobiles and shred human flesh. They are meant to kill and maim. And they do.

But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die in order for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die in order for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime. It is also a Hezbollah specialty.

On Wednesday CNN cameras showed destruction in Tyre. What does Israel have against Tyre and its inhabitants? Nothing. But the long-range Hezbollah rockets that have been raining terror on Haifa are based in Tyre. What is Israel to do? Leave untouched the launch sites that are deliberately placed in built-up areas?

Had Israel wanted to destroy Lebanese civilian infrastructure, it would have turned out the lights in Beirut in the first hour of the war, destroying the billion-dollar power grid and setting back Lebanon 20 years. It did not do that. Instead it attacked dual-use infrastructure -- bridges, roads, airport runways -- and blockaded Lebanon's ports to prevent the reinforcement and resupply of Hezbollah. Ten thousand Katyusha rockets are enough. Israel was not going to allow Hezbollah 10,000 more.

Israel's response to Hezbollah has been to use the most precise weaponry and targeting it can. It has no interest, no desire to kill Lebanese civilians. Does anyone imagine that it could not have leveled south Lebanon, to say nothing of Beirut? Instead, in the bitter fight against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, it has repeatedly dropped leaflets, issued warnings, sent messages by radio and even phone text to Lebanese villagers to evacuate so that they would not be harmed.

Israel knows that these leaflets and warnings give the Hezbollah fighters time to escape and regroup. The advance notification as to where the next attack is coming has allowed Hezbollah to set up elaborate ambushes. The result? Unexpectedly high Israeli infantry casualties. Moral scrupulousness paid in blood. Israeli soldiers die so that Lebanese civilians will not, and who does the international community condemn for disregarding civilian life?

Taken from an article by Charles Krauthammer of The Washington Post)

4:01 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

You really ARE completely clueless, aren't you? Rockets that are indiscriminately fired and intended to maim and kill? But you use "precision" weapons that "unavoidably" kill innocents? Are those missiles and bombs some kind of magic weapons that aren't intended to shred humans? If you are at all interested, I'll refer you to a site with pictures of what your weapons do to little girls and grown men.

And you have the unmitigated gall to compare your cause to the American cause in the Pacific? And you imply America's response was disproportionate and led to the destruction of Japanese and their cities? Have you ever even heard of Nanking? Manchuria? Bataan? Corregidor? Manila? Read before you talk, cybertrooper wannabe. You make yourself look even more foolish. Read a little of the history of the pacific war before you comment further.

You have "no desire to kill Lebanese civilians?" Then why are you? Yes - I can imagine you could have levelled Beirut. But I hope there are some more cautious thinkers in your country than you - you've already gone way too far for most Americans. Get worse and you're going to find a shortage of bombs and rockets. And money. The sad truth of this whole matter is that you and your country exist only by leave of the United States. That's what upsets me so much. If it were up to me, you would be getting on an airplane tomorrow with the rest of your crowd and moving to a slum west of Miami. To start the new Israel.

But - in the meantime, you try to justify what you are doing. It's not possible. You are murdering, thoughtless, completely callous people. You also are so damned stupid it makes me angry. We pay for you to kill so you can create more terrorists to fight you and us. If you didn't have money and materiel flowing from the idiots that run this country, you'd be forced to figure some other way to live. Then, instead of you telling everyone around you that they either do it your way or die, they'd be telling you, be quiet and we'll ignore you.

As will I. There is just no sense in trying to talk to someone like you. If you want to talk your good cause and whine about how the world sees you, go to an Israeli blog. This one is for Beirut - the people you are killing. Not the people who give a rat's ass about your hurt feelings at being told by the entire damned world that you are completely, utterly, irretrievably, wrong. WRONG.

4:20 AM  
Anonymous Doria said...

Where I stand on this matter nonwithstanding, I believe, hcb, that your point would be far better made and recieved if you argued for your point more, and doled out insults less. Vitriol has no place in an intelligent discourse. It's important to be passionate about your ideas, but unnesessary acrimony doesn't exactly help inpire peace.

4:39 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

My acrimony is not unnecessary and nothing I do or have done could possibly inspire peace. And where you stand on the matter is absolutely critical. We're not engaging in moot court, here. And I don't know what you mean about "intelligent discourse." The people of Lebanon are being killed. Don't you understand that? They are being bombed in their homes. Their infrastructure has been destroyed. They are "warned" to leave their homes or die. Do you understand? I am hovering over your bedroom with a bomb. Get up, get out or die. Right now. But then, when you go out, you find no way to go anywhere. Or anywhere to go. And then the bombs start bursting, And the bombers scream overhead. Then the bombers go back for more bombs and the targeting drones hover.

And I should dole out insults less? These are not warriors. Tell me - what, in your discourse, have you discovered as the purpose of destroying the airfield? Of destroying the oil tanks? The Israelis don't want the Hezbollah to have fuel for their tanks? They want to deny the Hezbollah an airport from which to fly their supersonic bombers to Tel Aviv?

No - if I could, it would be a lot more than insulting and it surely wouldn't be "intelligent discourse." I would be in the air and before I went down several Israeli airplanes would be flaming.

I'm sorry if you don't get my point because I am so insulting. No - I take that back. I couldn't care less. I am so completely outraged by what is being done - what my country is enabling yours to do - that I have no time for people who want to engage in "intelligent discourse" or polite conversation about how "moral" and cautious Israel is in killing and maiming and destroying. Might makes right for the moment. But there's a long time Israel is going to have to regret what it's done and continues doing. A very long time.

4:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Things would end quicker if Russia, Syria, and Iran would quit attacking Israel....

OH WAIT...they are not, but they supply and made the weapons Hezbollah uses, so from now on if you are going to throw America in every sentence because they make and supply weapons, then by all means, please don't shy away from using the names Iran, Syria, and Russia.

4:59 AM  
Blogger Lilu said...

You're right Ramsay. But I'm sad to say, I doubt that chance will be taken. I don't think the three stooges running our country see that far - each day that goes by they disappoint me more and more, so I can't help but be pessimistic.

5:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually agree with you on a lot of points about IAF. And I am horrified by whats happening in both Israel and Lebanon. I just participated in a protest yesterday about Bush and his whole "waiting for a sustainable ceasfire [while-civilans die by the thousands]" bullshit thing. I want hezzbolah gone, and I believe there are better ways than the all-out destruction of a country and its people. Terrorism is the targeting of civilians, and the IAF, with the targeting of airports and the like, has lost it's moral highground.

That said, I still think you could make your point better if you weren't nasty and condescending about it. You're not going to change anyones ideas if you put them on the defensive.

Btw, I'm not Isreali. My country is the enabler, just like yours.

5:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel that an international force, consisting of non-involved parties, must accompany the 15,000 Lebanon troops in the south, because quite honestly it doesn't seem too far fetched that the Lebanon army would allow Hezbollah to remain in existence if other countries aren't present.

5:23 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

Look at one of the other topics and you'll see my post about how I think people should come together in the post. How blind hatred has led Israel and Hezbollah to this point. And how the REALLY nasty people who were posting hate should go away.

I don't mean to suggest Israel has no right to defend itself - of course it does. But Clausewitzian warfare is gone - the idea of no holds barred and absolute destruction is insane. And I don't say that to be mean or nasty or condescending. I mean it in it's purely clinical sense. A "civilized" country - particularly the United States and Israel - cannot act this way any longer. We pretend to be beacons of democracy and human rights but we bomb and terrorize with no real goal or objective other than to "win." But all we accomplish is to make many, many thousands of people miserable and hopeless. From those come the terrorists. They have no hope in this life and, therefore, count on the life hereafter as promised by their lying "leaders." I thought everyone knew that. But Israel simply continues removing hope from the many, many thousands. And we keep encouraging the hopelessness. At some point, I say "enough!" It's insanity, it's demonstrably wrong, it's clearly evil and it's not doing anyone any good - least of all the perpetrators of the "defense."

Clausewitz has long since passed from importance in military study but we have whole countries - notably the US and Israel and Great Britain - clinging to his inhuman doctrines. We cannot continue that way. Like it or not, we cannot simply impose our wills by bombing any longer. We have to spend time thinking of other ways to handle problems and situations. Right now we have only two alternatives in the book - death and destruction as in Lebanon or completely ignore it as in Africa. We need some young blood to go in and turn things on their heads. Or we will be fighting the "war on terror" forever. And that is why I get so angry. I am completely outraged. I fought in Vietnam and I know what it is to lose close friends to senseless action. I studied warfare and I know what it mean to determine "acceptable" casualties. And now I finally know what it means to be human - a person who can see more than the bigoted view foisted on him by his "leaders."

5:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally agree with you on this post. And may I add that it was beautifully written and most undefensive-making.:)



I just got this in an email.

Subject: FW: änárä: Unbelievable!
http://www.video.exposetheleft.net/video/brigitte-gabriel.wmv


I'd really like to know what people think about this.

5:54 AM  
Blogger Julie said...

anonymous 3:16

YOu have a remarkable ability to rewrite history and compare incomparable events.

When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel "proportionate" attack on a Japanese naval base. It launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to cinders, and turned the Japanese home islands into rubble and ruin.

Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right -- legal and moral -- to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one's security again. That's what it took with Japan.

Britain was never invaded by Germany in World War II. Did it respond to the Blitz and V-1 and V-2 rockets with "proportionate" aerial bombardment of Germany? Of course not. Churchill orchestrated the greatest air campaign and land invasion in history, which flattened and utterly destroyed Germany, killing untold innocent German women and children in the process.


Pearl Harbor - killed hundreds of soldiers, sank vessels, was an unprovoked aerial sneak attack with a country that wasn't even involved in the war. They were allied with Germany and that war had already been raing on. And we didn't just go across the ocean and level Tokyo either. We launched a huge land invasion that lasted years before we ever went that far.

Israel/Lebanon - you assassinatd a Hezbollah leader (probably deserved it) on Lebabnon's soverign territory with a rocket attack, you had a guy working for your intelligence organization assassinate another, on Lebanese soil, who was arrested by the Lebanese, all this in the two months PRIOR to the kidnapping of the soldiers. You provoked that attack. You weren't sitting innocently in peacetime minding your own business when this happened. And the Lebanese governemnt LET THAT RIDE!!!

Hezballah responded to the attacks with a couple of rockets lobbed over the border that to my knowledge killed no one and you responded to those by slauhtering Palestinians with rocket attacks in the territories - so far over 160 civilians dead there in the last month. That doesn't count the ones you killed in the two months PRIOR to the kidnappings. So don't ever compare your 2 kidnapped soldiers to Pearl Harbor.

As for the Germans never invading England, on foot no, but the blietzkrieg slipped nearly leveled Coventry, among other places, and England ALSO launched a ground war first.

Of course this was AFTER the Germans had nearly burned Paris to the ground, not to mention the myriad of other countries they had already taken down, and let's not forget about the Warsaw Ghettos and the indignities and slaughter the Jews and others suffered at their hands. And you're also forgetting the thousands of people wo hid Jews to save them from the Germans. Again - no comparison to 2 kidnapped soldiers.

Japan was engaged in suicide bombers flying their aircraft into our ships etc. They captured our people, tortured them, and forced them to march hundreds of miles. My aunt took care of the Bataan Death march survivors in Manila as an Army nurse. She said all they could do was feed them.

Do you know what they looked like anonymous? THEY LOOKED LIKE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS. She told me she was afraid se would never see her home again. My mother was also a nurse in that war and my uncle a doctor. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. So get off the governments message. And if that is your comparison then I suggest you tell your government to just go on the radio and announce that before this is over Lebanon will be a parking lot. All civilians should run for their lives, because if you're making these comparisons, I can only presume this is your intent.

1500 50 pound rockets lobbed at Israel is nothing conpared to the devastation our bombs can do. Their armament is equal to 15, 500 pound bombs that you're dropping and you're probably dropping 1200 pound bombs. In one night you dropped 2.5 tons of bombs on Lebanon. You did that in one bombing run. 2.5 tons.

Have you seen the difference between the hole in the ground a Katyusha leaves compared to the many meters wide CRATER your bombs leave? Or don't they show that on your TV.

6:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel should let Lebanon put their troops on the border. Give them 6 months. If the situation isn't either acceptable to the world then, or Hezbollah is still launching rockets, Israel may go in with no restraint and root them out on their own, no holds bar.

6:38 AM  
Anonymous aja said...

Anon...
After viewing the video with Brigitte Gabriel I am really confused. Not being in Lebanon, it is hard to determine what reality is. What is one supposed to believe? We hear so many contradicting stories!
Do the majority of people in Lebanon even know what the Hezbollah’s real agenda is? Do they feel like pawns of the Hezbollah or like the beneficiaries of their campaign?
While there is no question that Israel is reacting wrongly in this situation, so too is the Hezbollah. I'm not trying to uncover 'the bad guys' here... I’m really just wanting to understand what the real situation is--in the view of the people who are THERE and living through it.
I’m so tired of the finger pointing as to who is wrong and who is right. They (Israel and Hezbollah) are BOTH wrong. Period!! Given that, what is the best course of action to end this insanity? That is the real question.
The whole world is being hurt by this war...it is only a matter or degree. I live in New Orleans, an American city that is presently destroyed so I am keenly aware of this: NO ONE can know the difficulties of living in a war zone without being in the middle of it. Others can speculate all they wish, but they don't KNOW. It is certain that both the Israeli people and the Lebanese people are suffering daily in ways we can't possibly imagine...Even those who are in areas that aren’t being bombed have to live with the torment of uncertainty. How does one effectively describe that? As citizens of this earth, we can’t just sit by as this irrational war goes on—behaving like we’re watching a movie that we can simply escape from whenever we wish… when we don’t want to think about it. My letters and phone calls to my congressmen will be more credible if I have more dependable information than what is being sensationalized by someone selling a book.

7:37 AM  
Blogger Sarmad said...

Volumes have been written about the Arab-Israeli conflict which has been ongoing for the last 60 years.

The first thing that should be recognized is that the Arabs are not in a fight against the Jews. The Arabs and the Jews are both Semitic people. There has to be a firm distinction made between Jews and Zionists. Israel carefully and jealously calls itself the Jewish state, whereas it is actually a Zionist state. Many Jews don’t identify with this ideology. (Einstein for example disapproved of Zionism.)

The Zionist ideology is a racist one. Israel likes to call itself a democracy. But if you look carefully at the makeup of Israeli society, it has encouraged migration of Jews from all Jewish communities from all over the world, from the extreme right to the extreme left. But they have been most careful to encourage migration from those who are mostly Zionists, whether they belong to the right wing Likud or the left wing Labour party. They have been careful to ensure that whatever government is elected it is ruled by Zionists. Israeli democracy is littered with threats to Israeli politicians to “tow the line or else” politics, enforced by American Jews sympathetic to Zionism.

Zionism has a stated aim: to claim, by any means, military or otherwise, land that will fit 20+ million Jewish immigrants from all over the world, whether Zionists or otherwise. They realize that the land that they occupy now is not enough to fit all those people. Their doctrine, leading to their ideal solution of solving the problem, is to occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. Their flag is the symbol of that. (The blue lines above and below the Star of David symbolize that.) Their war against Lebanon has a hidden agenda, to grab as much land as they can, and tap into Lebanon’s water resources.

The dilemma now is how Israel can do that with an increasingly aware and waking Arab and international public. This is where America comes in.

This American administration, although headed by President Bush, is recognized to be actually manipulated by VP Mr. Dick Chenney. Ms. Rice and Mr. Rumsfeld are also part of the neocon administration, but they have lost much of their credibility after the Iraq war which was started by “faulty” intelligence.

When commentators state that this is all about oil, don’t dismiss it out of hand. It may not be “all about oil”, but oil has quite a lot to do with it. America, and by proxy, Israel, would love to have a Middle East in turmoil, while America conceives a “New Middle East”. President Bush regularly and with repetitive utterances denounces Hizballah and their “sponsors” Iran and Syria. America is now the only Superpower in the world. Who is there to denounce Israel’s expansionist policies sponsored by the USA? Make no mistake, Israel is fighting America’s war in the Middle East to induce the “birth pangs of a new Middle East”. America has often stated that it has no friends, it has interests. There will come a time when America’s neocons will have no use for Israel anymore.

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fantastic last comment

12:26 PM  
Anonymous aja said...

saw, again with the finger-pointing via a history lesson--which I don't need. I was asking about what is going on NOW... on the ground... the reality of TODAY!!! While you are busy re-hashing history you aren't generating possible solutions. Or is that your intention? There is an abundance of 'talkers' on this site, but seemingly few 'doers'. Get real, get a thought that will inspire you to actions that MIGHT (even in some small way) make a difference. People are dying! People are hurting! Meanwhile, you seem to be content trying to impress everyone with your knowledge of HISTORY!

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aja:

Good point and a nice fresh approach. Who cares about proving who is right and who is wrong and who wants what and when. Something needs to be done to STOP death and destruction. Something does NOT need to be done to stop Israel from bombing Lebanon or to stop Iran from supplying Hezbollah. Becuase that would point a finger at someone and say YOU are wrong and need to be stop. Instead, EVERYONE needs to stop death and destruction, period!

8:54 PM  
Anonymous blogwatch said...

A great quote by Golda Meir:

"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

9:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who on this blog thinks that comments from certain people should be deleted or banned. SOme of them are so retarded and there is clearly an attempt to block up this blog by the pro-zionists trying to keep the truth from the American people and anyone else. Maybe they should be blocked. BEirut Live bloggers what do you think?

11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who on this blog thinks that comments from certain people should be deleted or banned. SOme of them are so retarded and there is clearly an attempt to block up this blog by the pro-zionists trying to keep the truth from the American people and anyone else. Maybe they should be blocked. BEirut Live bloggers what do you think?

11:48 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

I think you're right. But I don't know how you could do it as a practical matter. Let the guy rant - he'll get tired and leave to find someone else if he's ignored.

However, look at the first or second topics and you'll see I've adopted him as Sammy the Fart - my mind controlled autopet.

12:41 AM  
Blogger Sarmad said...

To aja. What I'm saying is that Israel is a Zionist state. It has no peace intentions, it only has expansionist intentions. The Arab world always knew that but only now the world is begining to notice, and maybe blogs like this one is helping the world to understand this.

What is going on the ground is that Lebanon has a quite reasonable seven point plan which will stop more Israeli aggression. This is the 6th time that Israel has invaded Lebanon. There was no Hizballah in the previous 5 times! Israel always seems to come up with an excuse to invade Lebanon. I will not go into that history lesson.

However, what is right now happening on the ground is the defeat of Israel. Olmert is in a race to save face for Israel before the vote at the UN, and in the process continuing to kill innocent civilians, which no doubt will be justified by claims that Hizballah "elements" are amongst those innocent civilians.

I'll be quite happy to conduct a civilized debate with you when you start to understand that there are two sides in this conflict. Maybe both are right, maybe both are wrong. But I venture that Israel is not right.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous aja said...

saw,

Here is the major difference in our approach... You want to debate and I want to find answers...Solutions! I refuse to believe that there are NONE.

Where did you get the impression that I don’t understand that there are two sides to this issue? You have NO argument from me that Israel has factions within the country that are what you term “Zionists”… those that have ‘expansionist intentions’. Nor will you ever get any argument from me that there are ‘factions’ within Lebanon that have deplorable intentions… like to “annihilate the Jews”. Neither of these factions have ‘peace intentions’.

My gosh! Why can’t the rest of us step back and see this insanity for what it is and find a way to end their ability to victimize the rest of the population in both countries? There are better ways to settle disputes and we have many good examples throughout history: Ghandi, Martin Luther King to name a couple. Didn’t they have every reason to feel victimized?! What about their solutions?

Anyway, as I said, a ‘debate’ isn’t what I am looking for. You are correct… Israel is NOT right… and neither is Hezbollah. So now what?

I understand your passion if you have a connection to or live in Lebanon. I sincerely hurt for you. I also hurt for the great number of Israeli people who don’t want this any more than you do. And I hurt for the people in the rest of the world who are affected by this, more than you can imagine. Myself included. It is painful to follow this.. I try to get away, but keep returning to the news then to these blogs. Sorrow, worry, angst… it all hurts… but I know its nothing like the pain felt by those innocents in the middle of it.

No debate.

2:48 AM  
Blogger Sarmad said...

I read, and I see... I guess when you say no debate at the end of your message, you mean no debate. So good luck and good bye!

3:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop sulking saw, it's not attractive.

3:30 AM  

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