Thursday, August 31, 2006

America's claim to be Lebanon's 'friend' lacks credibility

I don't over quote The Daily Star but this editorial rings very true indeed.

America's claim to be Lebanon's 'friend' lacks credibility

Editorial

The current "talking points" of US officials include an assertion that Washington's "support" for Beirut is dependent on the latter's taking bold steps to disarm Hizbullah. This is accompanied by a tacit threat that if Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah's organization continues to exist in its current form, Israel will resume its offensive against Lebanon - this time with even more of a green light from an increasingly impatient America. During the 34-day onslaught that ended on August 14, the US government appears to have experienced internal divisions over the extent to which it should encourage and re-supply the Jewish state, but the end-result was a policy of unconditional backing for a campaign that primarily destroyed civilian lives and civilian property. Any suggestion that the current administration is a "friend" to Lebanon is therefore viewed with understandable skepticism.

From the perspective of many Lebanese, being America's friend carries precious few benefits. Prime Minister Fouad Siniora has done his utmost to respect US wishes on a variety of fronts, only to be sent away empty-handed whenever he has asked for anything in return. American policy vis-a-vis the devastating war with Israel was no more than a highly purified version of this formula, with Washington repeatedly claiming that it was concerned about the stability of Siniora's government but simultaneously helping the Jewish state to mete out more and deadlier punishment.

Especially in this part of the world and particularly for a tiny country like Lebanon, the absence of effective support means no support at all. The presence, meanwhile, of active and enthusiastic support - diplomatic, economic, military - for a powerful invader is difficult to see as anything other than unabashed betrayal.

Lebanon and the wider Middle East need a powerful force to help local fires from spreading across the region. The United States has the might and the influence to supply such a stabilizing influence, but it has thus far lacked two other necessary qualities: even-handedness and consistency. This is indeed a tragedy of the highest order, for what other nation on the planet has so storied a history upon which to base its credentials as an honest broker and a supporter of democratic freedoms? Washington's selective enforcement of both US and international law - always to the benefit of Israel - robs it of the credibility it needs to be trusted by Arabs and Muslims, let alone to call itself their "friend." The current situation in Lebanon is just the latest episode of a long-running horror show of American inconsistency, and the Lebanese need look no further than Palestine for another recent one: the collective punishment and economic strangling of a people who dared to elect a government that defied Washington's diktats.

39 Comments:

Blogger Bryansaid said...

Kids, listen to your parents!!

Does anyone else wish that George Bush Sr. was still in office? Does anybody remember how during the first gulf war he and his masterful foregin policy team waited paceintly for the rest of the world, through the U.N., to try to get Iraq to peacefully leave Kuawit.They even sent Sec. of State Jim Baker to meet with the Iraqis face to face!!!!! Then when the world failed they all joined in to help kick Iraq out, even Syria sent troops to help. How he was very even handed with Israel and the Arabs! If you doubt this research it!!!!! I have no doubt from hearing comments by former officals in Sr's adminastration that they knew what lay ahead of him and I doubt he listened to his dad! If only we would have sent 150,000 troops to Afganastain and got Bin Laudbutt at Tora Bora and let the rest of the world try again to use the U.N. to open up Iraq for WMD inspections. Saddam would have said no and after a couple years of cat and mouse with the inspectors I truly belive that then we could have gone in and done it the right way!!! Assuming we had a different Sec. of Defenese!!!

Just for the record I am a Republican. McCain in 2008!!!!!

5:17 PM  
Blogger Bryansaid said...

Kids, listen to your parents!!

Does anyone else wish that George Bush Sr. was still in office? Does anybody remember how during the first gulf war he and his masterful foregin policy team waited paceintly for the rest of the world, through the U.N., to try to get Iraq to peacefully leave Kuawit.They even sent Sec. of State Jim Baker to meet with the Iraqis face to face!!!!! Then when the world failed they all joined in to help kick Iraq out, even Syria sent troops to help. How he was very even handed with Israel and the Arabs! If you doubt this research it!!!!! I have no doubt from hearing comments by former officals in Sr's adminastration that they knew what lay ahead of him and I doubt he listened to his dad! If only we would have sent 150,000 troops to Afganastain and got Bin Laudbutt at Tora Bora and let the rest of the world try again to use the U.N. to open up Iraq for WMD inspections. Saddam would have said no and after a couple years of cat and mouse with the inspectors I truly belive that then we could have gone in and done it the right way!!! Assuming we had a different Sec. of Defenese!!!

Just for the record I am a Republican. McCain in 2008!!!!!

5:18 PM  
Blogger Bryansaid said...

Sorry for the double post, got an itchy trigger finger.

5:19 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Good Post Bry!

If you are felling that make sure you don't accept our 260 mill in aide. Oh wait your two faced people do just that. Take our money and use it to fund your terrorists. Just like in 04, the world crucified us for not giving money fast enough to the tsunami victims. If we don't open our wallets you criticize us, we open our wallets you to and you criticize. You people only know how to whine and gripe like spoiled brats.

I watch a show last night on the TLC, it was supposed to be a food show but it got messed up because of the war. The first day of the shoot the chef was walking through the city when news came out about the killing of Israeli soldiers and the abduction. The chef commented that the Lebanese guide was very embarrassed by the actions of his people, the Leb’s. They were driving around honking, waving flags and cheering the attack on Israel. Imagine how these images infuriated the Jewish people and they’re military. It wasn’t one or two people; it was mass precessions of cars were filled with males, females young and old. All waving flags of the terrorists you’re so openly and proudly support. So I say again, you people cry after YOU started the war and then say that the response was out of line.

What would have been a proportionate response? I know you all will cry tears of martyrdom and why us, why now. You’re a sad people to be honest, face the facts. You are allowing terrorist to run your country, if you can kick the Syrians out why not the HZ. Why because you’re all HZ to some degree.

Live with your choices, live in fear and bomb shelters and God Bless Israel for not taking the abuse and terror your country so openly endorses and promotes.

6:59 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

I say we stop the funds to your country, if you don't trust or like us then why in hell would I ever want my taxes going to you people. It's wasted money anyway, your people will be destroyed and homes again and again.

7:50 PM  
Blogger Chris Baker said...

The Daily Star has written several pathetic editorials like this and should start looking toward the EU, which is where the friends of Lebanon really are.

Bush totally failed to control Israeli military aggression against Lebanese civilians and civilian property and thus the US is not a friend of Lebanon. Now we learn that 90% of Israeli cluster munitions were dropped in the last few days of their war on Lebanon when a cease-fire was all but certain. Bush must have approved that since they were US cluster munitions!

8:08 PM  
Blogger Rick said...

Bryan, good post. You cite the differences between the two Bushes very well. The senior Bush even wrote in memoirs that the thought of occupying Iraq would be a mistake; if only his ignorant kid would listen.

I think it is very reasonable that the Lebanese would look at any US statement of friendship with suspicion. We have earned it, after having helped Israel slaughter a thousand innocent civilians.

I'm a Democrat, but have no idea who I will support in '08, and am seriously looking at candidates on an issue to issue basis on my own blog. Right now, McCain's as good as anyone, and I doubt that he would be as black and white as Bush; we need a more moderate (not to mention intelligent) person in the White House.

8:15 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Chris: “Bush must have approved that since they were US cluster munitions!”

Are you that stupid? Once we sell the weapons we can't tell them when and how they can use them. We may be able to suggest but they do what they want. We sure didn’t approve when Israel sold the plans for the F-16 to the Chinese but Rabin got his for that.

You sell a used car to friend, two weeks later he uses it in a bank robbery. Are you approving of the robbery because you sold the car to him? Nope

Is Boeing responsible for 767's used in the Trade Center attacks?

Is General Dynamics responsible for all of the F-16's used?

Get a clue Chris, oh wait one sided only views here. Let me get back to my side of the fence before any of you idiots get too confused.

8:50 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

To bad Rick more weren't slaughtered. Then there would be less to kill next time or to take arms against another country wanting peace. Since the Lebs don't want peace with Israel then go to town and use the clsuter bombs if needed, use what ever it takes to rid the world of them forever.

8:55 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

I hope some of you will visit me at the site I’ve created for the purpose of publicizing what is happening in Lebanon. I don’t mean to bash Israel or lead cheers for Lebanon. But I’m distressed over the lack of coverage of the matter in the US media. My hope is to extract from posts from this site (with the site owner’s permission) add them to extracts from posts as described in my new site and create something readable for publication in the US. If I can’t get it in newspapers, I’ll publicize it with the blog. In that latter regard, I was pleasantly surprised last night when I launched the blog site just to see what it looked like. I posted my email exchange with various editors of my local paper and, within just under 2 hours, I had my first comment. It came from New York.

The power of the internet for information distribution is more impressive everyday. I hope you will join me in the effort to air what is known and felt by the “ordinary” people of the area. The mainline media publish sensational items about bombings and politically oriented items about visits by, for example, Condoleeza Rice. But no one yet has said anything about the bottling factory that was destroyed by Israeli missiles or bombs. Or the apartment in Haifa hit by the Hezbollah rocket. We don’t even have articles here about living a month in shelters in Northern Israel. Or about Qana.

So – I cannot promise a thing except I’ll try and that I won’t bash. I hope you’ll join me. I’m going to impose a limit on myself of one month to collect, digest and prepare for publication the thoughts I think are appropriate. I will publish it on the blog before sending it to anyone like a newspaper for publication.

Oh – I’ve set up a special area on the blog that I’ll post in the next couple days called “It Takes a Madman.” Sam inspired it when I was thinking of how violence and war really begins from hopelessness and a demand to be heard. I’ll hope to hear from all of you in that regard as well. I think it will add flavor to the comments. There is much anger and hopelessness on all sides of the situation as I try to describe there. And, as we can see on the “Beirut Live” site, bigotry can create hatred, anger and frustration. The bigot demands attention and, failing the attention, simply forces himself on everyone and into the conversation and situation. That is the kind of thing wars are made of – the degeneration of reason to lashing out and flailing about in angry frustration.

http://livefrombeirut-hcb.blogspot.com/


Thanks

Howard

11:35 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Oh Howard you know I'll be blasting your site to you PUSSY! So where am I supposed to go? where are your balls now? So tough, oh the big guy. Come Howard don't run and hide like you did in nam.

Cool I will now tear down your site as well. You'll be spending time deleteing instead of having conversations about lies.

Here I come to stop the flow of lies, kind of like a super hero.

11:50 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Hey Howard, nice name for the blog!!!

Shouldn't you be from there, live there or someything? Still the hack I said you were, cut and paste is all your good for. Makes me wonder who really got your wife knocked up, must be your paper boy.

11:51 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Sammie M. - you never disappoint. Like I said, you are the example I will be using to show what happens when madmen are loosed on society - so write, write, write, sammie.

And - if the name you gave a couple of weeks ago was false, the real guy with that name is not going to be too happy with you either. When I publish your comments, it will be with full attribution - name and address.

Don't disappoint me, Sammie - keep it up.

11:54 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

You are aware, of course, your ISP is recorded with your post. :-)

Don't disappoint me, Sammie

11:55 PM  
Blogger HCB said...

Thanks for your comment on my site, Sammie. You'll notice something a little different - you say something, I cut and paste it into my file and then I delete it so no one else in the entire world will ever see it - until I decide to post it.

So come on, you impotent little squirt of stinking pee - write me some more. I am very anxious to have the record of a completely mad idiot as he degenerates from fool to driveling snot.

Don't disappoint me, sammie - that's why I gave you my blog address along with all the decent people here.

12:00 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

Oh - another thing, sammie - if I tire of you, I simply block you and you whistle in the wind. Of course, you'll still be able to read what you said. To yourself.

12:01 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

HCB, please block him for the sake of sanity, reason and intelligence. Really.

12:04 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

I've never hidden anything Pussy! So try to block me, I can and will a pain. You called me out and then hid for days, scared huh. I thought so. You have never psoted anything about yourself, I have posted all info. I am nor have beens scared of anything espec you
Howard you pussy.

It's okay, you fit the Leb lover bill anyway. Attack a person then hide.

12:08 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Come on Howard, who let who down? Call a person out and run and hide.

What town? Where, When. Coward!

12:09 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

Not yet, Doc - I want to record this. If and when some others express an interest in my effort and come to the site, we'll set it up for members and block him. But for now, I'm enjoying the meltdown and I don't think I could make it up for publication. He'll start repeating himself and drooling before long and then he'll either get tired of it and go back to being the "go to guy" for comfort and fun at the place he says he works so hard or he'll go out and shoot himself.

I really don't care a bit about the guy - except it's my pleasure to watch him demonstrate his insanity. And provide me the proof of my thesis about how insanity begets insanity.

I'm looking forward very much to talking with you and our other friends.

Oh - and I've got Google working on his location. He sent me a post saying directly he's a terrorist with the specific intention of "tearing your site down. hahahahahahaha"

12:15 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Hi Doc, casue and people to kill themselves today? No, well you still have a couple more hours to casue someone to hate life.

12:15 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Howard I could only prey you actually man up to your threats. But again you are a traitor and pussy!

You're personnaly casued this blog site to turn to shit. Becasue of you I am here. Hope you feel good.

12:17 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

Sam "-What town? Where, When. Coward!"

As I told you before - get a ticket to Orlando. Tell me the flight number. I'll meet you. But don't flatter yourself to think I'll spend money on you in addition to time.

Oh - this will be my last comment to you. Until it pleases me to say something else, of course.

12:17 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

What a pussy, you just can't see how much of a pussy you are. Let all your little terroist loving and the terrorists themselves that you are the reason I come to this post all day everyday. Just becasue of you, well and the lies everyone spreads.

12:20 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

I missed this post before - I'm in the habit of skipping right over "sam."

"I've never hidden anything Pussy! So try to block me, I can and will a pain. You called me out and then hid for days, scared huh. I thought so. You have never psoted anything about yourself, I have posted all info. I am nor have beens scared of anything espec you
Howard you pussy."

Sounds like your serious. Well, then, fill in the blanks

Last Name ___________
First Name __________
Home Address _____________________
_____________________
Home Tel ____________________
Work Address _____________________
_____________________
Work Tel ____________________


Now - we've taken up enough space and time from all the real people here so, Sammie - just be quiet and do as your told.

12:23 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

what a fag, time to switch names. I can log in and keep posting.

Howard your an idiot. Ashinning axample of a pussy.

12:26 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

So block the name sam, 16 more to go!

12:26 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

All day every day? You come here all day every day just to see me? My goodness, sammie - whatever will happen to the huge profits you make for your company? Do you think that's wise?

Oh my - you just keep me in stitches, sammie. And here I am again talking to you while there's other things so much more important to be done on this site.

It will help if you can come up with a word other than "pussy" - I've saved all the bloglines and you've used that word so much, it's lost its impact. Perhaps you could come up with a new word? Scratch your head, sammie - see what you can think of. "hmmmm - what's another word for 'shit' or for 'dumbshit'?" Hey - if you can't think of anything, I've got some ideas, sammie. But - like I said - go sit down and be quiet until I call you.

12:28 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Fill in the blanks. What Jackass, your little friends here will say Sam your a coward for not filling in the info. when you won't even post your name. I have given my city, state, name and e-mail? You've done nothing and think your tuff.

Coward, run and hide Howard. Everyone I can get to tarnish your site, thats all I will focus on.

12:29 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

Come on Faggot, call me!

12:30 AM  
Blogger Doc said...

Good news: International donors have pledged a little under 1 billion (940 mil) to reconstruction in Lebanon. However, the new estimated damage post-war is $10 billion. Saudi Arabia has pledged over 1 billion. The US 340 million.

Its a good start.

1:24 AM  
Blogger clare said...

I really don't think anyone can honestly say that the U.S. is even handed when it comes to Israel. I believe that this must change if there is to be any peace for either side. I don't see that the U.S. will ever abandon Israel, and I am not saying that they should, but I think it is a shame that there cannot at least be more of a willingness to be fair and address the root causes of all the conflict in an honest manner. Honestly, after watching the slow response from the U.S. to stop the killing in Lebanon, how could they really view us as "friends"? The Israeli soldiers are still being held captive, and I heard on the radio that there are negotiations going on under the table for prisoner exchanges. What was all this destruction for?

4:35 AM  
Blogger HCB said...

There's an article in "der Spiegel" http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,434118,00.html detailing what Jerusalem papers are dubbing "Nasrallah's Remorse Speech." Nasrallah says he didn't know the reaction would be as it was to kidnapping a couple of soldiers.

"Ironically, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has now inadvertently rushed to support the beleaguered Israeli prime minister. "If we had known that capturing the soldiers would have led to all of this, we wouldn't have done it," the sheikh said. Most Israeli commentators agreed that Nasrallah's comments were tantamount to admitting defeat."


That is being touted by Olmert and the Israeli press as a concession that Israel "won" after all - the bombardment and invasion choked Hezbollah and Nasrallah now regrets it.

This is such a good opportunity to open some kind of meaningful dialogue - easily brokered by, for example, Condoleeza Rice. Rather than saying, "see - we won" Olmert could be saying, "mistakes were made on both sides - let's talk to see what can be done."

Ego - it keeps reason at bay and fosters continued violence by preventing any talk that might be taken as a concession. But - again - Nasrallah appears reasonable while Olmert continues as the bully. Nasrallah speaks his mind and Olmert speaks like Bush - he's under internal pressure to explain the mistakes made and why the announced goal - get the kidnapped soldiers back - was not achieved after so much death and destruction. He takes Nasrallah's statement as vindication so he can rub his nose in it by saying "see - we won." Olmert speaks to rationalize what he's done while Nasrallah simply speaks his mind.

That doesn't make Nasrallah "good" and Olmert "bad." But, in the battle for the hearts and minds of that part of the world that cares, it demonstrates character, purpose and intelligence.

Just think - Nasrallah says to his people, "I'm sorry for the pain I've caused - I was mistaken." While Olmert says, "it was worth the lives of your sons and the effect on our economy. Don't you see? We won."

Ego and the military power to enjoy its instant gratification. No matter the cost - even to the "victor." Bush and Olmert must be proud of this "victory." For which the US and Israel have and will continue for years to pay for with treasure and blood.

10:24 AM  
Blogger Neil Williams said...

From George Galloway UK Respect MP in Beirut.

The defeat of the regional superpower could yet open the way to a wider settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

As the smoke clears from the battlefield of the 34-day war in Lebanon, it would be a mistake to count the cost only in fallen masonry and fresh graves. All is changed, changed utterly, by the defeat that the whole of Israel is now debating, from the cabinet through the lively press to the embittered reservists at the falafel stall. Practically the only person in the world who claims Israel won the war is George Bush - and we all know his definition of the words "mission accomplished".
Reports that the Hizbullah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, expressed regret this week at having underestimated Israel's reponse to the capture of two of its soldiers were misleading. In fact, Nasrallah thanked God that the attack came when the resistance movement was prepared, as he was convinced Israel would have otherwise invaded later in the year at a time of its choosing.If the fierce thicket of the Iraqi resistance stopped the Bush war spreading to Syria then the extraordinary Hizbullah victory has surely made the world think again about an attack on Iran. But the main - and maybe the most welcome - shift in the 40-year-old paradigm of the Israeli-Arab conflict is the puncturing of the belief in a permanent and unchallengeable Israeli military superiority over its neighbours and the hubris this has induced in Israeli leaders - from the sleek Shimon Peres through the roughhouse of Binyamin Netanyahu to the stumbling Mr Magoo premiership of Ehud Olmert.
The myth of invincibility is a souffle that cannot rise twice. Over the past week I have picked my way through the rubble of Dahia in downtown Beirut, now resembling London's East End at the height of the blitz, and across the south of Lebanon in towns such as Bint Jbeil whose centres look as if they have been hit by an earthquake. Here the litter of banned weapons lies like a legal time bomb - evidence of war crimes alleged by the UN and Amnesty International that in a genuine system of international justice would put Israel in the dock at The Hague. This, together with the beating Israel has received in international public opinion, is the collateral damage suffered alongside military humiliation.
Israel announced the capture of Bint Jbeil several times, but in truth it never held the town - or anywhere else for that matter - throughout the war. Despite raining down thousands of tons of high explosive on homes, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, ambulances, UN posts, oil storage depots, electricity plants and virtually every petrol station south of Beirut (the bombers seemed to have a crazed thirst for petrol stations, while telling the world that they were kindly inviting the residents of south Lebanon to get into their cars and leave their homes for a little while), the Israelis were given a severe mauling by Hizbullah fighters when it came to boots on the ground.Lots more .........

To read the full article goto the Respect Supportesr Blog at:

http://respectuk.blogspot.com/

(Plus lots more articles and video links on the Middle East)


In Solidarity
Neil Williams
Respect Blog (UK)
http://respectuk.blogspot.com/

1:51 PM  
Blogger M2Timechange said...

Conspiracy Theories

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3:18 PM  
Blogger Doc said...

Its ridiculous to think that Nasrallah acknowledged defeat because he said he was not expecting the response by Israel. Nobody expected it at that time, although everyone knew it would happen sooner or later. Clearly, HZ come out on top, at least from the public's perception. Many in Lebanon silently wish HZ was eliminated, including myself, but the effect was exactly the opposite. I agree with HCB that Nassrallah appears to be leveled headed, reasonable and sane as compared to Olmert--although appearances can be deceiving--even the IDF were fooled.

I am beginning to embrace the cause of resistence put forth by HZ and doubt the terrorist nature of HZ (that doesnt mean I dont want them eliminated)

--if HZ was the neighbor of any other country but Israel, then they would not be labeled as terrorits by the US and their allies. Simple.

6:48 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

Doc, you forget the bombing of are berricks when we were there trying to stop a civil war. That is way I'll and a lot of others will always say there are terrorits. And people say us Americans have short memory

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